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Magic Pie delta wye
« on: January 23, 2011, 04:08:32 AM »
just wondering is there a thread here on running the pie delta wye?
has anyone attempted this yet. with all the room in that dish the mod should be straightforward ;D

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2011, 12:18:51 PM »
Hey Karma how you going with the */delta config??

Any progress ;)

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2011, 08:54:23 PM »
whats the benefit to the delta whe / speed power at the expense of efficiency ?
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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 02:10:29 AM »

Star or "Y" configuration  provides the best torque at low speeds, whereas Delta produces far less torque but allows the motor to spin much faster.

If the hub is rewired using three heavy duty cross over relays, it is possible to switch between the two modes, giving you the best of both.
(Check out Doctorbass' video for more information.)

You would use Star mode for pulling away and low speed torque on hills etc, and could then switch over to Delta mode as you go faster.
This should allow a much higher speed, just as a higher voltage battery will usually increase the top speed.

If the motor is producing more power and more speed, it's also going to consume more battery power in the process.

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 12:21:18 PM »
Hey Karma how you going with the */delta config??

Any progress ;)

i have a number of projects on the go. need to save for a pie the minute I get my hands on one ill post results ;D

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2011, 03:39:02 AM »
any progress? I think it's a good idea if you can make a switch to toggle between y and delta configuration.

that way, you can have 2 'gears' electrically.
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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 01:48:31 PM »
i think Gary sent me a e-mail about getting one I will need to dig it up got lost in all the e-mails ;D

this is what im working on now dual ended phase wires on a 1606 could be delta wye if I wished ;)

drilled out the axle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82bC4HGx-og
« Last Edit: February 13, 2011, 01:52:28 PM by karma »

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 05:36:13 AM »
I think I'll try it one day....

I have 2 of these motors this guy is using, I didn't even know they were GM ! Well they look the same so I think they are from a standard mold/design.

Anyway would be good to get one cranking :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr6G695TcWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bISjHht7ZNE&feature=related


Oh and I found this.... yipes... I'm yet to find someone with something similar on their ebike... not sure how reliable it would be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_41btVawMc&feature=related



« Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 06:26:26 AM by MonkeyMagic »

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 04:36:51 PM »
Another development for change the torque/speed characteristic of hub motor is with variable air gap.

The close the air gap, the more torque but reduces the RPM.

With the same voltage, a wider air gap will allow the motor to go at higher RPM but reducing the torque.
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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 01:31:38 AM »
It's variable magnetic field, like the last video I posted.

Not variable 'air gap' - air doesn't have anything to do with it :D

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 02:01:51 AM »
Yes you are right.

Didn't see the video you posted. Tiga is solar car team from Japan. The motor they are running is Mitsuba with efficiency of motor and controller up to 94% normal mode. The cars are designed for World Solar Challenge in down under. Car may go as fast as 110km/h.

Some teams from the US is working on this technology as well, with the an american motor. The name just slipped my mind.
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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 01:53:23 AM »

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 08:00:49 AM »
funny lookin Magic Pie there karmi ;)

wheres the PIE conversion?? I wanna see someone route the wires lol

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 10:04:04 AM »
Anyone have a link for how the rewiring is done ?

Sounds like the perfect balance mod for the dual pie guys  :)

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Re: Magic Pie delta wye
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2011, 05:29:31 PM »