Author Topic: can a 36v motor run with just 24v  (Read 19684 times)

Offline NeedWheels

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can a 36v motor run with just 24v
« on: May 23, 2008, 04:58:33 PM »
I am on a very small budget, can I start off with a 36v motor and 36v controller but still work with  only two batteries (for 24v) at reduced speeds? Or will the motor/controller not even start at such reduced voltage?

Thanks for any feedback!

Offline philf

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Re: can a 36v motor run with just 24v
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 05:57:28 PM »
There are many inter-related things that dictate the "voltage" of the system.  One of the hardest things for people to let go of is the notion that the batteries these things use don't behave like the disposable sort you might put in a flashlight.  If a motor/controller system is put together for 36V, it expects the same-sized power source.  It's not like a 3V DC motorized toy that just slows down/produces less torque until the batteries die.

The electronics that are actually running the whole affair are powered at TTL levels (like the lion's share of the computer you're reading this via) - FIVE volts.  What is being controlled, though - the flow from your batteries to your wheel - is set up specifically for the source and intended target.  A 36V controller expects a 36V battery bank, and it also expects to be able to monitor a power source with an expected range in order to reliably cut the operation of the main motor drive when battery depletion to a certain level is detected (to save you from killing your batteries, which is a whole other thing).  Your 36V wheel would not even START to spin with a 24V power source and controller attached, even though the microcontroller would be very much alive.

The way this is accomplished isn't sublte.  The same controller board is used in systems from 24V through 48V, from what I've had my ands on.  The manner in which the input voltage is dropped to levels appropriate for the controlling logic, and how the power is driven out (potentially) vary.  The controllers may LOOK identical, but there are build differences to suit the target drive.  (The way they cascade voltage regulators is an example, as well as output transistor choices).

I've done poorly at explaining this in depth, but hopefully I'm assuring you that there is a need to match your components.

Cheers!


Offline NeedWheels

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Re: can a 36v motor run with just 24v
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 11:14:39 PM »
Thanks for the detail in your response.

I assumed it might be possible since apparently there is a 24v and 36v kit that uses the same motor but different controller. I've seen people run their 36v controllers at 48v so I was hoping the reverse was possible (under-volt for lack of a better term).

So three batteries it is, no corner cutting there.


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Re: can a 36v motor run with just 24v
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 03:26:37 PM »
It might be possible, but would take a bit of tinkering to see if it works.  You would have to adjust the power supply stage to the microcontroller, adjust the signal to the LVC pin, and verify the mosfets were getting adequate gate voltage to be fully on when they are in the on mode.  Other than that, I think the motor phases are fed switched ON or OFF directly from the battery pack, so the motor doesn't really care about the pack voltage, it will just turn about 33% slower with less power.

It's not a project for someone without the right background and tinkering skills, and carries a reasonable chance of outright failure.