BLDC E-moto. Some questions.

[Quoll]

Hello all,

prior to ordering a 5kW motor and 300A controller I'd like to ask a few questions. I have tried to collate enough information to feel happing spending a lot of money in these tough times but have run into a few inconsistencies.

Design brief at the moment:

Frame - Long travel full suspension hydroformed alloy
Motor - 72V HPM5000B, 300A max
Cntrllr - HPC300A, 300A max

I somehow have 2 different versions of User Guide for the controller, both which mention HPC100B in their opening paragraph. I can see that the picture and wiring diagram have been updated to the new regen models but the connector type is still listed as a TYCO 776273-1 which definitely isn't the 23 pin connector I need.
Can you let me know the new connector model, the new controller dimensions and the mounting/bolt pattern required.

Also I have seen mention of a PD100 Programming Device.  Does this actually exist and if so can I have some specifications and a price.

I look forward to any assistance.  Please feel free to post the links of the latest relevant data sheets here. Thankyou, Quentin Oliver.

[Leslie]

Hello all,

prior to ordering a 5kW motor and 300A controller I'd like to ask a few questions. I have tried to collate enough information to feel happing spending a lot of money in these tough times but have run into a few inconsistencies.

Design brief at the moment:

Frame - Long travel full suspension hydroformed alloy
Motor - 72V HPM5000B, 300A max
Cntrllr - HPC300A, 300A max

I somehow have 2 different versions of User Guide for the controller, both which mention HPC100B in their opening paragraph. I can see that the picture and wiring diagram have been updated to the new regen models but the connector type is still listed as a TYCO 776273-1 which definitely isn't the 23 pin connector I need.
Can you let me know the new connector model, the new controller dimensions and the mounting/bolt pattern required.

Also I have seen mention of a PD100 Programming Device.  Does this actually exist and if so can I have some specifications and a price.

I look forward to any assistance.  Please feel free to post the links of the latest relevant data sheets here. Thankyou, Quentin Oliver.

You have picked a unusual configuration.  5kw is and awefull lot of power and there are not too many here if anyone who has these parts.  Your description of the bike sounds awesome but somewhat limited.

Does the frame look anything like this below?





Can you provide us interested individuals some picture of what youre doing?

As for an answer to your questions you could try email tom@goldenmotor.com for more details
  

[MonkeyMagic]

Wow Quoll

You have a hungry hobby!!
I'd also ask how long you want to use it, and the batteries you choose will need to take a massive beating

What were you thinking of powering it with?

[Bikemad]

I somehow have 2 different versions of User Guide for the controller, both which mention HPC100B in their opening paragraph. I can see that the picture and wiring diagram have been updated to the new regen models but the connector type is still listed as a TYCO 776273-1 which definitely isn't the 23 pin connector I need.
Can you let me know the new connector model, the new controller dimensions and the mounting/bolt pattern required.

Also I have seen mention of a PD100 Programming Device.  Does this actually exist and if so can I have some specifications and a price.

Hi Quentin andto the forum.

I think the PD100 programmable device only worked with the old HPC100B controller as it used the same 14 pin multiplug connection.

Check out this post for the HPC300A wiring details and a link for the new 23 pin connector details.

Alan
 

[Eriknoort]

Hello,

Why using the HPM5000B motor with a chain?
Use the MW16C hub motor. It can handle a lot more power then 2000-3000watt.

Erik

[GM Canada]

I somehow have 2 different versions of User Guide for the controller, both which mention HPC100B in their opening paragraph. I can see that the picture and wiring diagram have been updated to the new regen models but the connector type is still listed as a TYCO 776273-1 which definitely isn't the 23 pin connector I need.
Can you let me know the new connector model, the new controller dimensions and the mounting/bolt pattern required.

Also I have seen mention of a PD100 Programming Device.  Does this actually exist and if so can I have some specifications and a price.

Hi Quentin andto the forum.

I think the PD100 programmable device only worked with the old HPC100B controller as it used the same 14 pin multiplug connection.

Check out this post for the HPC300A wiring details and a link for the new 23 pin connector details.

Alan
 

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[MonkeyMagic]

Erikkk !!!

Where have you been man!

Hehe always sneaky... I think you keep upto date with the posts and put in where you can't resist

[Leslie]

Erikkk !!!

Hehe always sneaky...  

Arent you the one who logs online here as hidden?  This word "sneaky" you know the meaning well,  When I see in the guest list, one user "hidden" on GM foum index page we all know its the sneaky Monkey now. >>>  

JKE!

Monkey you certainly make this place colourful and happy. Keep up the good feelings.

[Quoll]

Thanks all for your replies,

@Leslie : That Scott Sport frame looks nice, but the one I have considered is more the standard triangle shaped frame, with Rock Shox mount on the Top Tube and Seat Tube pivot. The idea is the massive 200mm diameter motor would sit as low in the triangle as possible.

Yes the config is unusual but I "wanted" to be able to :
go 80km/h on the flat with a lot of wind resistance
accelerate UP a 'jump' mound
have a COG toward bottom of seat tube to provide manoeuvrability

@MonkeyMagic : Crap, I have underestimated the battery situation entirely. I forgot I require batteries that can deliver peak/max current and not just meet the Volt/Ah requirements. I think my battery budget might have to be extended out to a months spare wages

@Bikemad : Cheers for the link to that post. I can't believe I hadn't seen that before. The Tyco Part number 770680-1 is exactly what I was after and I appreciate the sprocket list too.

I might spend a little while reconsidering as I have come up against a few hurdles I hadn't foreseen. Namely, how do I utilise EMF Braking whilst retaining the low-loss freewheeling of a std bike. Do I just use the standard Hyrdaulic brakes. Do I add the complexity of an electric clutch? Should I retain the pedals to limit the unwanted attention of Australian police.

[MonkeyMagic]

Hey Quoll

I live in VIC, Les is in QLD

I'm sure both of us would agree to keep the pedals. If you remove them then your beast will need to be road registered, and comply with ADR regulations.

Honestly, if you are considering harnessing the power of a HPM5000 you should go and find an old 125cc dirt bike frame and work off that. There is so much more room and strength, then ride it off road. I wouldn't go near the road with a HPM5000 strapped to a push bike anyway haha

Push bikes are rated at around a 90-100Km/h top speed. Also if you took it over a jump would be soooooo heavy !!
Again, my suggestion is to look into a dirt bike frame and modify it.

I took my dual drive to the BMX jumps the other week. NEVER AGAIN lol I was so scared of dying it wasn't funny anymore....

The rock shox would be good, you really need as much travel as you possibly can - thats why I was thinking dirt bike frame


Good luck man!!!

[Leslie]

The Magic Pie can do 80kph at 110v 40A 4400 watts.

Just means you need a high voltage pack and the rest you can do away with.   110v @ 40 amps DC isNT something to muck around with though.

My Diamond back recoil has a more expensive version with the rock shox.  I just got the entry level bike with zoom forks.