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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2011, 05:02:04 PM »
fingers crossed!  lets just hope the honey wine has not got the better him yet today ;)

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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2011, 07:18:47 PM »
nearly ther , postponed by kids bath,,,,,5 mins :)
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2011, 07:55:15 PM »
Right then...........drum rolll please ........

so , to the chase.....quick summary...OMFG !!! :o :o :o :o

so, out with webby today at dorney lake, nice flat track, no wind...recorded rough timings and then repeated this evening once infineon stuff was worked out

test of bike full throttle no pedaling......timed from 3MPH to 20MPH.... ( started at 3 for all tests due to external controller being in sensorless mode)

rear external Magic Pie only..                 11 seconds
rear external and front internal                 7 seconds
rear infineon controller only                      7 seconds :o
rear infineon and front internal                  4 seconds......nearly went off the back ....yay...honey wine yeeehaaa

top speed recorded was 31MPH, but the rear can take me on a flat to 27MPH and sustain it easily.....I havent changed any settings yet like the 120% speed stuff..The controller is by default set at 30 amps, can take 45 amps without any modification....holy cow !!!

So found the biggest hill I could, up on rear only......2000 watts through a rear pie yay..!!!! right up there ( tried the same hill last week, needed duals or lost speed), motor was just warm, but I havent done any long distance, so ill have a go tomorrow for 10 miles or so before the week commute starts

I do concur with all others have said, the experience does seem a lot smoother, and quieter....but the power...holy cr**
Bear in mind though, this for sure is a battery killer.....you need serious amp delivery to keep up with this beast....one GM battery is just not going to do it

( I wonder if the front could be converted lol....just joking)
I did on friday change all of the hall sensors over to honeywell SS41's, much faster switching etc...
One downside though, and credit to GM's controller, is the infineon will not do sensorless..gm's controller has a lot of failsafe that has to be given credit for
More as testing continues....but feel free to ask questions, I just cannot thin k of everything to type    ;)
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2011, 07:59:26 PM »
Just one thought for everyone, carried forward from the endless sphere forums, and I think I would have to agree....

this is just way too much power for a front wheel, I think you would definitely have to think of this level of power as a rear only mod

Many thanks to Scorpion for his valuable post info also

If anyone has a specific test they want, ill try to oblige

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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2011, 10:09:15 PM »

It certainly sounds like good news then Ginge, but I'm now confused by your Max Amps reading:
                                     internal                       external
average high amp                14.5                           22.5
peak highest amp                 17.5                          30.5



I presume the 68.59Amps is from the front internal and the Infineon rear combined, so why are the Amps are so high if the Infineon controller is set by default to 30Amps?

Using your figures, the Infineon alone must be peaking at 51.09 Amps (68.59-17.5), which is 191.9% more than the Internal controller and 67.5% more than the GM external.

Have you had chance to notice how warm the Infineon controller gets?

Alan
 

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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2011, 11:04:52 PM »
yup, thats 30a average..  70 amps phase, not peak amps ...68 amps from combined front and  rear ...

the infineon,mounted external, could not be described as warm... even the external GM, coould not be  described as warm....only when put in a bag, ever got warm....not hot

motor   neutral to touch....

ambient 12C

as for the percentages above the internal.....yes, you can feel it in the handlebars, if that makes sense

more testing tomorrow after hangover

3 x 20AH BATTERIES CHARGED
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2011, 08:02:44 AM »
Way to go Ginge ... :D

when I tested your bike yesterday it was a serious OMFG anyway and completely blew me away (I'm still smiling from the experience  :D :D :D) and that was BEFORE your mod!!!

this is a defining moment me thinks. Nice work !

Good luck with further experiments today mate.

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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2011, 06:12:27 AM »
Right then :) morning commute over

Front pie is still connected, just no throttle connection....18KG of battery, 94 KG of rider ( no comment please :) )

21 miles---top speed 24MPH, average speed 18MPH,  10.5 AH...26.5w.mile....1 Hr 5Mins

So it seems that efficiency on this controller is dang near the dual pie....

~It is also a lot more comfortable above 20MPH, with acceleration still to go.....

Will do a little more testing, then get about changing the software once all is settled

Initially, I would say that this is virtually dual pie power, just maybe not in the 0-5MPH range, but after that, not much difference that I can ascertain, smoother by feel though
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2011, 06:15:46 AM »
oops, forgot

Ambient temp 8C

the motor was mildly warm after 20 miles, the controller was pretty much ambient......even with damn thrashing the thing, havent yet got to a point of hot, or even too warm really....mind you if it was in a bag, then might make a difference.......let you know soon
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2011, 07:43:20 AM »
Come on... try the 120% speed allready   ;D
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2011, 09:16:02 AM »
LOL :D c'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2011, 09:30:08 AM »
im not sure if you need to have the 3 way switch for that setting, will find out as soon as poss, maybe ill even be sober
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2011, 09:39:50 AM »
Hey man... don't  drink and drive  ;D
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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2011, 10:37:33 AM »
Funny, it prompted me to search "drunk on honey wine" on google images and this was one of the first pics:


Ginge I was searching for an avatar for you lol you just take a pic of your brew and put it there :D

And maybe I should open my eyes more in the bottle-O, notice the bottle says "Product Of Australia"

eh eh


On the topic, Ginge are you full serial you are getting +40MPH on your donkey? Holey flux capacitors man...

I'm still keeping the internals until grief, I do treat my gal nicely though so I doubt it will be anytime soon ;)


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Re: internal to external to infineon 45A controller change....my thoughts
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2011, 01:37:36 PM »
Fraid not, nothing past 27 MPH yet, ( did I mistype somewhere)....i did wire up wrong on saturday and the wheel registered past 45 MPH, but it sounded like a jackhammer, really bad ugly sound.....no stealth there,..,,dont know how I did it........

Im not sure I got the balls to do that speed on aluminium frame.....

Will try the 120% as soon as I get a chance :) honest
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