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Offline Dennyb123

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MP III Regen Braking vs. Original MP
« on: August 16, 2013, 12:41:00 PM »
I just finished building my new MP III powered bike. The bike only has a coaster brake. I wanted it this way so that the bike would have a cleaner look. However I installed a brake lever just for regen braking. I was counting on the regen braking to be as strong as the original Magic Pie. I was pretty dissapointed to find out that out of the box the MP III isn't even close. I've set the regen brake as high as 75% and it still not as powerful. Does anyone know what I need to set it at to match the original MP? I saw somewhere that setting the regen brake to high could damage the battery. Is this true? BTW, I'm using the Golden Motor 48v 10ah battery.

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Re: MP III Regen Braking vs. Original MP
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 09:20:23 PM »
Hi
I'm having mine at 50% and it's very far away from my Magura HS33 I used before. I have the same config as you have, just that I added a Magura MT8 as well just to be sure. As I rarely need full brake stop the regen is nice to not waste the MT8 with it.
Some accus don't like to be peak charged and discharged soon after. Such a setting is normaly buffered with superconductors just for that case (= the power is stored there and discharged from them as well, so the accu doesn't see a charge at all and the power is still perfectly stored). My current setting is done that way but with older Maxwell Boostcaps (not so modern) and two "lossless" MOSFET to block charging. I'm using 20* Boston Power Cells Swing (10S/2P) and 10 Boostcaps "in front of".
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Re: MP III Regen Braking vs. Original MP
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 09:43:12 PM »
Hi Denny.

Your concern for your GM battery is warranted.  They are expensive devices and require just a little bit of caution and they will deliver good reliable energy for a long time.

With Lifepo4 batteries, they are not the best at discharging and recharging compared to other types of lithium batteries, the cell has a phosphate protection that does impede the currnet and voltage a little,  and a 10ah is a small pack that will not tolerate 10 amps for long cycle charging. 

For regen you really need a good pack, either 2 * 10ah packs, or a chemistry, or brand battery that is designed for faster charging and discharging rates.

To get and idea of how much regen is appropriate for a LiFePo4 pack, one should never attempt to slow a vehicle down faster using regen alone than the LiFePo4 battery can accelerate the vehicle in the first place.

Say if it takes 10 seconds to reach top speed at wide open throttle (WOT), if you manage to stop the bike in 5 seconds, this must be generating more than 1c, up to a point where efficiency interferes, like maybe you lose 30% of power in the translation of energy from mechanical to electrical, but Lifepo4 isnt rated as high for charging as it is for discharging.  So efficiency losses can be used for some headroom when estimating how much regen torque can be applied safely. 

That said, you're more likely to ruin your internal controller with regen before your battery, but some do manage to go through a few controllers before their battery gives up the ghost too.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2013, 09:45:21 PM by Leslie »

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