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LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« on: November 02, 2012, 12:23:32 AM »
Hello

Something else about the Smart Pie kit....
We just ordered a Smart Pie kit but nobody on this planet has a LCD DISPLAY to go with it !!!
Why not ? Does somebody know where we can order one ?
Otherwise it wil be hard to sell a kitt to our customers !

Please does somebody know what and where?

Martin

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 01:15:07 AM »
The CycleAnalyst http://www.ebikes.ca/store/store_CAV3.php seems pretty popular although not cheap at $160-ish US.

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 07:54:20 AM »
Hello Nick

No I have 2 of them using for the crystalyte motors but these displays are to difficult to use for our customers !!!
Just a display like the foto here
thnx for your respons

Martin

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 08:54:49 AM »
AH. Ok. Yes they are a bit of a geek's toy (and I just HAVE to get one  ;D). I do not know enough about the wiring to suggest anything else.

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2012, 09:05:20 AM »
I imagine there might be a unfilled market here. Business opportunity?

The CA is very advance and can do most things you'll want from it, but it has very limited graphical displaying capabilities and 11 home screens (takes time to cycle trough and you can get lost). I don't know what kind of costumers you have, but for just monitoring you don't need to access the setup and the CA returns to it's default home screen if you cycle the power. The default home screen on the v3 version shows graphical representation of battery, throttle and PAS while text is showing wattage, speed, mileage and used amps, that is all the information you need. And if you use PAS it is possible to connect a 3 way switch (or a thumb throttle with the spring removed) to control the amount of assistance. The price is very high at $195 ($160 for the DPS unit plus $35 for the shunt) and the v3 isn't out of beta yet. The v2.3 is only $155 but I don't think it has the graphical battery and throttle representation and it doesn't support PAS.

What do you need from your display? A normal $10 cycle computer gives you alot of information, but not battery and power usage. HobbyKing has cheap wattmeters, but they do complicate the wiring if you want it mounted to the steering bar.
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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 10:03:33 PM »
Are you saying that the CA allows on the fly setup of a controller?

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 12:17:49 AM »
Are you saying that the CA allows on the fly setup of a controller?

To change any settings on the CA you have to turn off the power until the screen goes blank then hold the right button down when powering up to go into setup mode.

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 04:00:36 AM »
Thanks for jumping in.

So you can actually do what the GM setup software does? PA  strength, acceleration, top speed? Or some subset of that?

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 06:18:40 AM »
With the v3 version you get an AUX input that you can use to change either limit (speed, current or power limit) or PAS without using the setup. It basically means you have the ability to mount a legalize button to bring the bike down to required max speed or power. Unfortunately there is only one AUX so you can't bring down both max speed and max power with one button.

Besides that it is like Gary say except you don't have to power down to enter the setup, the CAv3 turns off power to your bike when you enter setup so you don't have to. This makes it possible to change settings with one hand while pedaling along (may not be safe).

So you can actually do what the GM setup software does? PA  strength, acceleration, top speed? Or some subset of that?
Yes, you can change everything the GM setup can except regen and reverse settings. There are settings for acceleration, top speed, maximum current (amps), maximum power (watt), low voltage cutoff, minimum speed (usable for sensorless systems), high temperature cutoff (if you install a temp probe), maximum deacceleration, amount of PAS assistance and some more. All is user changeable while on the run, but the setup is very slow to navigate trough and your throttle is unresponsive while inside the setup.

Most of this is specific to the CA v3 and wont apply to the CA v2.3 and older.
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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 09:14:27 AM »
Wow this looks like money well spent! I was pretty impressed with it just as a monitoring device, but that is really good stuff. HAH! Legalise button! :D Actually power is enough if I take it below 200W.: no speed limit...assuming the upholders of the law allow system power and not motor power. With an MPIII I am blown away if it's motor power!

Just for the record, I will reiterate. I am NOT about using the power of the MPIII to tear along using 1000W! I wanted the torque and longevity that I hope a bigger motor gives, with lower voltage/power, under bike/trailer loads.

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 06:16:07 PM »
Hi Nick,

When you have more power and speed available, you will start using it more and more.  And then start looking for even more.  :)

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 11:15:03 PM »
Seriously I won't. As I say I will be towing my dog in a trailer when on the roads. Whatever dangers I may throw at this strongly self-preserving bod, I will do my utmost to make sure she is comfortable and safe (short of wrapping her up at home in cotton wool)  from any harm caused by me and over which she has no control. OH and then there's my camera gear!  ;D

No....apart from all that I have no need to speed. I enjoy just pottering and stopping at the odd park for a sit and a look. I rode a motorbike for many years. I have had enough speed and found that just getting along is fine.....I am also a coward  ;D. Having been injured a few times, I find it both painful and damned inconvenient.

As a dog owner and frequent pedestrian path sharer, I also am desperate to promote harmony between the sharers and ripping at even faster rates than most do now does not help there.

If I had to use major roads often, then I might feel different. If I could accelerate faster get up to nearer the speed of the traffic I can see many advantages. But for me that is a different discussion, because I don't have to.

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 11:54:16 PM »
I have no experience with version 3 yet. I guess it must prevent power from going through the shunt to shut off the bike? Sounds interesting. I have thought of getting in on the test versions but since I don't have time to accomplish my daily tasks now it will have to wait until the snow flies!

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Re: LCD display wanted for Smart Pie
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 06:24:06 AM »
The CAv3 doesn't cut the power, it only sets your throttle low. I should have been clearer about that. I'm guessing it is a safety thing. I have changed settings a couple of time while riding and it is annoying that the throttle cuts while in the setup.
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