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Offline Hasty Beginner

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I'm a beginner and need some information from the experts :)
« on: September 16, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »
Hi Guys.
I am thinking of buying a Magic Pie 2. I have had no experience of electric bikes and need some information. Here are some of the questions I need answering.

Front or back wheel drive?

Thumb throttle or twist throttle?

RAK-001 or RAK-002?

Thanks guys for helping me out. :)


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Re: I'm a beginner and need some information from the experts :)
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 01:37:32 PM »
Hi HB andto the forum.

The choice between front or rear motor is usually decided by ease of fitting and the rider's personal preference.
If your rear wheel is currently fitted with 8 or 9 speed cassette gears, it is not possible to simply transfer this over to the Magic Pie.
Therefore fitting a front Magic Pie would be cheaper and easier to install, whilst also allowing you to retain all of your current gears.
This is not usually a problem, provided you have steel forks, as their drop-outs are usually strong enough to withstand the torsional load being passed through the wheel's axle, although fitting a separate torque arm would be advisable.

Although a front mounted Magic Pie should give a better weight distribution, I much prefer a rear mounted motor, as it provides more traction on the driving wheel for hill climbing on slippery surfaces etc. and a much shorter cable route for the current flowing between the battery and the controller/hub motor.

Regen (which is operated by the power breaking switches on the brake levers) works just as well on the rear as it does on the front, and there's less chance of losing the front end (and your steering) while braking into corners at speed on loose surfaces.
A rear hub motor is also much more fun for pulling wheelies ;D, and the extra weight on the rear should help prevent you from flipping over the handlebars when you brake hard with the front brake.

In my opinion, a rear mounted motor is safer.

The choice of throttle is sometimes decided by necessity, rather than personal preference.
If you have a twist gear-change, then a thumb throttle is probably a lot easier to fit.
If you have the lever type of gear-change, then the twist throttle is probably better, but I'm used to riding motorcycles, so the twist throttle seems to be much more natural for me.

Regarding the choice of rack, if you have rear suspension on the bike, the seat-post mounting should provide a more comfortable environment for your battery pack, although I suspect that a fixed rack would safely carry a lot more weight than a post-mounted one.

This should help you to make your own decisions.

Alan

P.S. I would never describe myself as an "expert", because an "ex" is a has-been and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure!

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Re: I'm a beginner and need some information from the experts :)
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 07:29:53 PM »
Bikemad is spot on alright. I'm not fully genned up on the Pie 2 because I've been off-line for a while but with 4000+ miles of pie experience ..

.. my advice is if your hesitant and thinking "I'll go for easiest front option first (which I did to be fair) to check if this is really as good as folks say" then .. trust me .. it is fantastic fun. Go for the rear and if you can afford to go for the rear with bespoke Lyen Infineon controller as you 'unleash' the real power of the beautiful pie.

.. that is to say you delimit it from a 'off the shelf' 750 Watt / 15 amp very well built motor to a 1500-2500 watt / 30-45 amp beast.

I'm not sure of your motive but spare this for a thought - I commute 40 miles per day and it costs 15p (British pence or a tenth of a Euro) a day in energy! and you still get a bit of exercise!

Either way - enjoy.
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Re: I'm a beginner and need some information from the experts :)
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 11:47:52 PM »

If you do go for a front pie it is very important
that you do not use an aluminum fork.

It is also critical that you fit some kind of torque arms
to the wheel to prevent the nuts from working
loose and the wheel from dropping out.

Trust me on this, you do NOT want to sail
over the bars face first.  I did not enjoy the
beautiful planet coming up to greet me.


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Another question ;D
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 01:14:52 PM »
Thank you guys so much.

You helped me a lot. I've just one more question.
Do any of you know were I can find a installation video or instruction manual on the Magic Pie?

p.s I think I might get the rear pie. It sounds fun and I am up to the challenge! :)

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Re: Another question ;D
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 02:06:25 PM »
Thank you guys so much.

You helped me a lot. I've just one more question.
Do any of you know were I can find a installation video or instruction manual on the Magic Pie?

p.s I think I might get the rear pie. It sounds fun and I am up to the challenge! :)


Here's a link :)

http://www.goldenmotor.com/e-Bike-DIY/GoldenMotor%20Pro-Kit%20User%20Guide.pdf

And this one from Gary that's a nice 1