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Offline GenK_777

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Hi Fellow Ebikers,

My name is Bill and I have been an avid fan and supporter of E- Biking for over 6 years. I built my own E-Bike using parts from Goldenmotor, my own fabrication and other suppliers. I love E- biking as it "enhances biking" It plays a nice role for those days you want to be on your bike but don't alot of energy that day to do some serious pedaling,

Unfortuanly my lithium ion battery descirbed below has been giving me some serious issues.

I bought a 48V, 1000w/hr LIFEPO Battery from Golden motor.ca back 4 years ago. The background story is I have used the battery for the first 2 years probably ~ 200 – 300 cycles worth of its 1500 cycle life span. I would achieve ranges of  well over 30Km – 40Km without any issues (i.e. Battery still had charge to give me more range). The motor is the Magic Pie 4 1000w, 48V hub motor.

Had to take a break from biking due to life stuff so I had the bike and battery in storage for 2 years (2016 – May 2018). The battery was exposed to temperatures as low as 20C and as high as 35C.

The battery was also stored at 100% full charge.

I did check the battery every 2-3 month and do main't charges on it

The other day I was E-biking to work (1st run sense storage) and on my way home the battery died. That was roughly 25Km on one charge. The ride was mostly level and paved bike routes nothing to extreme so rolling resistance would be negligible.

2018-05-26: I ran the bike again and had similar range issues. Roughly 25 – 27Km on a charge

2018-06-01: Reproduced the entire run to work and back to see if the battery had been excercised and regained some of its capacity. Sad to say it dies at roughly 24Km.


My questions are:

1.   Can those storage temperatures do damage to the battery?
2.   Did I damage the battery leaving it at 100% charge state with maintenance charging every ~ 2 – 3 months during those 2 years of inactivity?
3.   Last three bike rides I have ran it through as noted to its safe discharge state. Can I restore some of the batteries capacity by “exercising” (Full discharge and recharge) or is the damage permanent?
4.   In simpler wording is the battery trashed? ?.

Thanks for any advise on this. Please note I am very happy with goldenmotors.ca products. I used the bike today and love the solid feel of the Magic Pie hub motor. Plus the battery when it was working correctly was awesome for 2500Km. Again I think I wrecked it leaving it in storage for so long. Any advise or information to help me understand this would be great.

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Re: Introduction and LiFePO4 (Lithium Ion Battery Troubles Need Advice)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 11:11:38 AM »
Hi Bill andto the forum.

When lithium batteries were first introduced, users were encouraged to keep them fully charged during storage to ensure that the voltage would not drop low enough to cause permanent (irreversible) damage to the cells.
Over time, the information has changed, and it is now recommended to store batteries in a cool place with a state of charge between 40~50% to reduce the degradation while the pack is not being used.

Storing a pack at 100% state of charge in high temperatures will cause the battery to lose capacity much quicker than storing it at 40% state of charge in a cooler temperature:



Quote from: batteryuniversity.com
Lithium-ion must be stored in a charged state, ideally at 40 percent. This prevents the battery from dropping below 2.50V/cell, triggering sleep mode.

In addition to the storage degradation, the number of discharge cycles is also affected by how low the pack is discharged each time it is used:



If you regularly discharge your battery pack until it is completely empty, the number of available cycles can also be reduced.  :(

My questions are:

1.   Can those storage temperatures do damage to the battery?
2.   Did I damage the battery leaving it at 100% charge state with maintenance charging every ~ 2 – 3 months during those 2 years of inactivity?
3.   Last three bike rides I have ran it through as noted to its safe discharge state. Can I restore some of the batteries capacity by “exercising” (Full discharge and recharge) or is the damage permanent?
4.   In simpler wording is the battery trashed?

You have probably found the answers already, but my answers are:

1.  Yes, but higher temperatures would have caused even more damage/degradation.
2.  Yes, storing it with a lower state of charge would have reduced the damage/degradation.
3.  It may recover slightly, but I suspect the damage/degradation is likely be permanent.  :(
4.  I wouldn't say it is trashed, it simply has a much lower usable capacity now than it did before the 2 years of storage.
     (25~27km of range is a lot better than a battery that doesn't work at all.) ;)

Alan
 

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Re: Introduction and LiFePO4 (Lithium Ion Battery Troubles Need Advice)
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 03:20:23 AM »
Hi Alan,

Thank you very much for that very informative post. I really appreciate you taking the time to go into that level of depth and validate the case with my LIFEPO battery.

The storage chart you provided really correlates well to my situation and duration.

Thank you again for your help.

Yes for the time being i'll run it as is until funds are sufficient to a get new battery.