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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: SergeyAU on February 07, 2011, 08:13:50 AM
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Hi everyone!
Looking at all the options, need some expert advise on what to choose:
- weight: 94kg
- bike: 700c hybrid bike
- distance: 25km x 2
- country: Australia
- terrain: mostly flat, some small hills
Still searching for more information about different ebike parts...
1. Anyone had problems importing to Australia? (full kit including battery)
2. What battery size should I get? Like the one in a lockable box (not so big)
3. 24v-36v-48v?
4. Which motor to get? Magic pie sounds (pun) loud =) What wattage?
5. Rear or front wheel motor? Any difference in performance?
6. Any other useful information that I need to know? =)
Thanks
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Hey Sergey welcome mate
Where abouts are you in Oz? I'm in Melbourne myself
No issues at all importing to Australia. Shipped through EMS I've never paid any duty even in excess of $1000. But a single kit won't have any problem
Tipping you are wanting this for a commute to work? If so, and you have a few hours in between rides you could go for any size battery I guess (so you can charge it in between)
The voltage of the battery however, will affect the speed you wish to go. Being in Australia we are limited to 25km/h and max continous power rating of 200W, no offence and I think it's the ignorance of the road laws too, but 200W will not move a 94kg person very far and fast at all.... Lol
In April last year a recent decision for Australian police officers was to concentrate on petrol assisted bicycles and there was no training nor testing equipment issued for electric bicycles at this point. So literally all you have to say is "my motor is 200W" and they can't test the bike any further. Same goes for drink driving, you cannot be breath tested randomly, only if you are riding like a tool. So as long as you are sensible you will never have a problem with the law. My dual drive goes around 40km/h and I still have pink lycra fairies fly past me at 60+ so unless you are popping monos with your wheel spinning the police probably won't know what you are riding. Probably just think you have strong legs ;)
You really have a couple of options regarding motor choice... Just say for example you wanted to get the full ~50km (2 x 25km) and you don't have many hills - a front mini motor will be a good option with the 36v battery on a rear seat post rack.
Having a front motor means you can change the tyre really easily if need be, and by swapping the front wheel and removing your battery rack, your bike is back to normal again (a real hybrid hehe)
If you don't mind about weight, and want power (or top speed) to get where you want faster - then the MagicPie wheel is definitely an option I wouldn't say they are that loud. I own a few different hub motor types and this 2000W scooter hub I have is heaps louder than the pies so I put it down to power. They are not light though...
I guess if I was building another bike and had to do it all again I would definitely choose a front motor, probably the freewheeling mini motor with a rear battery rack.
It's getting pretty wet and crazy weather in Australia too so some balloon tyres (so your bike is amphibious) or some cyclone resistant headlights could be an option too
:D
MM
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Thanks for the welcoming, mate =)
I am from Perth... Got some fires yesterday... Need that wet weather...
Good news on importing =) I guess, as long as I don't order 2 batteries (don't know what they will consider resale items - more than 1)
Yeah, planning to travel to from work - about 25km away. Just not fit enough to do it the conventional way (pedaling). M`ight do it eventually, but need this extra resource, so that I can start building up on the distance. I can charge the battery at work - true, just need a good, reliable battery to get me at least one way. Just been reading the forum about the GM batteries with issues... A bit hard to fork out $400 for something that will last just a couple of weeks...
But back to the battery size. MP wheels, as I read, can take different types of batteries. But reading the efficiency chart, does not look too impressive at low power (if I am reading the charts correctly). Apart from the speed, will the voltage impact the torque? Is it better to get 48v than 36?
Now, the motor. Unless I am going for the MP (is it v2 now?), what would be the best choice for my type of bike + my weight in terms of most efficient (less battery drain, but good torque). Not really planning to go 70kmh on those thin rims (700c). Also, front or rear wheel? Any difference in performance? Apart from the weight, is MP a better choice? It will provide enough power for any weight, but at the battery's expense. What is the drainage like on MP?
From experience (I don't know what type of batts you use), what is the actual distance will it take me? Is there a formula for ah/power/weight=distance calculation? Will 12/14Ah 36v battery, and say MP on a light-ish bike take me 25km to work realistically? Or should I be looking at those huge 20Ah+ batteries?
And finally. Should I be looking at the local supplier for the battery's warranty, given a number of threads in regards to the quality of GM's batteries.
Cheers
Sergey
PS:
Whats the difference between the 2 motors that GM sells?
Model: MBG36F -- Mini Front Motor and Model: HBS36F -- Front Motor
While I was typing it I saw it - MBG36F - only 250W. The later on is 500W. Do you think the first one (250W) is enough?
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the 250w will just assist your pedalling.
As far as I understand the MP is an efficient motor and on the flat should manage 25km on a charge with either a 36v/16ah batt or the 48/12. No need for a monster 48/20.
If your journey is mainly flat you will probably get a better top speed from the 1000w HBS motor rather than a pie.
I have only tried the Magic Pie so I am only guessing with the above.
My experience, Magic Pie on rear with a 48/12 GM battery on rear rack makes the front of the bike very light, but it still functions ok. You maybe better getting front wheel motor with battery on back which will help balance the bike, there will be no performance difference. As far as voltage goes I think the 36/16 may give you more range, the 48/12 may give a little more speed???? but this is just the opinion of an internet pundit who has not tested this out.
By the way, I have a front and rear pies wired to together to one 48/12 battery. I highly recommend it.
If you are having problems getting a kit in Oz then GoldenMotor Canada(Gary) on here may get a kit droped to you straight from China, and dealing with him is a lot easier than dealing with China for many reasons.
Andrew :)
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Still puzzled about the wattages. Andrew, are you saying that 1000w motor is a minimal requirement to go on semi-flat surface @ 25km/h max? With the battery (36/16) it kind of works out to be 30min tops, so would take me only 12-14km. 36/16 as I understand it, would take me one way to work upto a max of 500w motor....
Can anyone else comment on the motor/battery/weight/speed/distance from personal experience? I really should start a poll or something.
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Hey mate
Furthest I've travelled that I clocked was 46km using a 16" cast wheel and 48v12Ah battery. Wheel set at max values. I haven't really gone a full length discharge since then. I'll get some numbers happening when I get my bike back on the road now its all metered.
With the MagicPie wheel, you can buy a USB cable to program its parameters. So you can set this to values that suit your speed/range/power requirements.
You can do the same with the mini motor or any others using the external Cruise Controller - having said that, I guess Andrew and myself were pointing toward a MagicPie as yes you can still change the settings, but has a much higher room for power should you want it.
You never know, having your ebike you might consider towing your shopping home, or a couple of slabs of VB at least ;)
About the power, I have a folding ebike that has a 180W rated wheel (it peaks at 220W lol) and it goes 23km/h its 24V and has sealed batteries. So with bigger wheels yes 25km/h is possible with around 200W but it takes a long time to get there and you feel yourself shaking the handlebars trying to go faster haha
If you just want 25km/h on a flat, the mini motors will be fine. I mentioned them as they freewheel and you said you would be pedalling. Just say your batteries went flat, it's much easier to pedal a mini motor home than a Magic Pie hub. Pedaling a direct drive hub motor is not fun at all, even less fun with 2 of them...
There are pros and cons with them both, it's really your decision. Both of them can be set to cope with legal speed but have their ups and downs. Here, I'll list a couple then it's really up to you as you will be riding the thing ;) Even if everyone pointed toward one product it still might not be best suited for you
MagicPie: Ups
Powerful, chomps hills with little to no assist
Internal controller option = simple wiring and neater
Easy to install, choosing a front motor will be a easy solution
Wiring from axle comes from the middle, not the end of the axle
MagicPie: Downs
Heavy, not fun to pedal
Higher stress to wheel rim due to weight
Stands out...
MiniMotor: Ups
Discrete
Geared for torque, with freewheel mechanism so there will be no resistance when you pedal or go downhill
Very lightweight
MiniMotor: Downs
Trying to take off too quick unassisted you will chew the internal gears
Any hill around or over 15-20% gradient will most likely need pedal assist
Cable protrudes out of the side of the axle, can be susceptible to damage if knocked.
Needs external controller = more wires around your bike to maintain.
Anyways good luck with your decision mate.
Cheers
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Thanks, MonkeyMagic for some great points.
Tough decision =)
When are you getting your bike on the road? Are you going MP way? Would be interested to know...
Now, I saw that mini motors come in different varieties. What happened to GM 500w minis? Are they still produced? 250w I have to agree - too small for me. Also saw a few on eBay going up to 1000w. Don't know about sellers/warranty though...
You said that I can program MP via USB. What type of things can be programmed? I am interested to know, if it is possible to program it to say 500w and make sure that the efficiency is around that mark (say, on 250w minis, its most efficient around 140w).
Thank, mate! Hope to join the ebikers gang soon =)
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Hi there
You can limit the motors via usb all the way down as far as you want, but as there is no gears, the efficiency cant be changed....also bear in mind there is no freewheel, so you do have to pedal against the motor if no power is applied, feels kinds like always going uphill...
Still I do 50 miles a day on mine, big hilly areas......no mini motor could cope with the stress.....just because the motor can do 750W, doesnt mean you have to...the cycle analyst for instance is good at limiting, and you can change the settings whilst riding
I thought about the 250W, bu the truth is that it would be running 100% all of the time on the specific journey I had to do, so wouldnt have lasted long
( passed 1500 miles on my pies yesterday)
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Thank you, dirtyGinge
50 miles a day that you do - is that on 1 battery? Can you describe your rig - motor, battery, controller.
Having no freewheel... Bummer! Is that on all hub motors? Or just the MP?
What is the difference between MP and standard hub motor of say 500w (apart from that you can get the MP to whatever you like at custom voltages)?
I want to start on something... Easy to manage... Before I upgrade =) But something that works and allows pedaling for a few km (to the nearest train station) in case the batteries die on me... Since mini motors is out of the question (idea - can you have 2? Front and rear going to the same battery? Would it work?), what is my next best choice? MP or something like 500w hub motor? (please advise on the size)
Also, what is the story with different voltages of MP? I thought you could program it yourself? Or is it just for ease of use (for those that cannot do it themselves)?
Cheers
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changing the voltage settings on the MP does not really do anything noticable - or it didn't in my case.
Joining up two 250w mini motors sounds like a great idea. I have not read of anyone on here doing it, so perhaps you could be the first ;D
Get two 36v motors, two external controllers etc. wire to one throttle and one 36/16 battery.
Is that possible with the mini motors? :-\ same as it is with the MP? I don't see why not
By the way, you can pedal with the larger motors but there is resistance against the motor
Andrew
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Hi everyone!
Looking at all the options, need some expert advise on what to choose:
- weight: 94kg
- bike: 700c hybrid bike
- distance: 25km x 2
- country: Australia
- terrain: mostly flat, some small hills
Still searching for more information about different ebike parts...
1. Anyone had problems importing to Australia? (full kit including battery)
2. What battery size should I get? Like the one in a lockable box (not so big)
3. 24v-36v-48v?
4. Which motor to get? Magic pie sounds (pun) loud =) What wattage?
5. Rear or front wheel motor? Any difference in performance?
6. Any other useful information that I need to know? =)
Thanks
Hi Sergey, This actually was an email and I decided to paste it in here since you asked me this in email as well :)
You have options, really any kit would do. It all depends on how much you want to pedal. All of the kits below have programmable controllers. If you are trying to be street legal you can adjust the maximum power, speed, etc.
Pro 902 kits.
If you want freewheel you have to go with 2 mini motors. Light riders do one motor and still have to pedal to keep from striping the planetary gears as they are only plastic. If your battery dies you can pedal with no resistance. Not sure if these motors can handle it for your situation unless you pedal a lot. One bonus about the mini motors is you can go further than the larger motors as you can’t eat up your power as fast.
All the motors below have resistance when pedaling with no power. The bigger the motor the more resistance. None of these you would have to pedal with unless you taking off or going uphill. The reason you do this is to save battery power. If you pedal every time you take off you can go a lot further.
PRO 901 Kits - Tried and true motors.
These are 36v500, 36v750, 48v1000 motors. Honestly I would say unless you are trying to be 500 watt street legal or something with off road power at 48v1000.I would go for a Magic pie. Some people still like the 48v1000 because they are faster than a Magic Pie at 48v.
Newest Design - Magic pie - Run any voltage 24-36-48
Can be with internal or external controllers.
As for the distance, You are asking the tough questions, I could say “Oh yeah you can do that distance no problem!”. But the reality is you are at the limits of the capability of one of these kits can do a round trip. The distance you are traveling you will have to pedal quite a bit or charge at work as well or get two batteries . Everyone brags their batteries will do 50 kilometers, but the reality is we are not all 60kg riders. Actually I’m not sure if anyone here is? I’m heavy so is my bike and my gear.
My ride is 32k to work and back. Uphill to work, downhill home. I have a rolling weight with my trailor and gear of over 200kg. I do it with two Magic Pies, two 48v12ah batteries and no peddling.
I hope this helps..
Gary
I’m attaching a picture of my bike in case you haven’t seen it in the forum ;)
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( passed 1500 miles on my pies yesterday)
Hey Ginge,
I was just thinking, You do have a dual pie but I don't recall ever seeing it.
Gary
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Hiya Gary,
i've just been on your website pricing up a dual mini motor kit with a 36v/10ah frog battery.
i know this is purely theoretical, but..... with full continuous throttle and pedalling on flat how much range would your estimate for this set-up?
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Hiya Gary,
i've just been on your website pricing up a dual mini motor kit with a 36v/10ah frog battery.
i know this is purely theoretical, but..... with full continuous throttle and pedalling on flat how much range would your estimate for this set-up?
Oh boy, your asking me? Hmmm... here are some numbers I cut out of one of my pages. These are based on it requiring 250w of power to maintain 32kph on level ground. Of course this does not acount for wind, uphill, stop, start , unusual weight, etc.
(48V X 12AH / 250W ) X 32KPH = 73.728K
(36V X 16AH / 250W ) X 32KPH = 73.728k
(36V X 10AH / 250W) X 32KPH = 46.08k
(24V X 16AH / 250W) X 32KPH = 49.152
(24V X 10AH / 250W) X 32KPH = 30.72k
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thanks for the stats :)
So, if choosing a dual drive kit option on your website does it include battery cables if not buying a battery? there is an option to choose a battery cable?
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The battery cable usually comes with the battery. So if you choose a battery the cable is free, otherwise it has to be added.
Gary
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(More questions)...please excuse me from overtaking this thread, but hopefully these questions maybe of use to the original poster.
1. Can you run disc brakes and a 6 or 7 cog freewheel on the mini motors? without problem?
2. do the mini motors come with the same wheel rim as the other motors?
3. Is it easy to lace a mini motor to a 26" rim? in other words, do they use ordinary/easily sourced length spokes and if so how many? 36?
Andrew :)
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Andrew I have a question for you too lol
Can you actually pedal on the 11T cog on that epoch ??
I thought about it, then I ran 48T to 11T with 26" wheel / 120RPM (pretty darn fast pedal speed) and it worked out to be 20km/h...
So I wondered what gears you mainly use if any. Or does it just sit there with 7 gears hanging off the side of your hub while your feet get cold? :D
I can't really comment accurately as I've only ran single speed on my ebikes and pedal at low speed..
Cheers
MM
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(More questions)...please excuse me from overtaking this thread, but hopefully these questions maybe of use to the original poster.
1. Can you run disc brakes and a 6 or 7 cog freewheel on the mini motors? without problem?
2. do the mini motors come with the same wheel rim as the other motors?
3. Is it easy to lace a mini motor to a 26" rim? in other words, do they use ordinary/easily sourced length spokes and if so how many? 36?
Andrew :)
I don't mind the questions, as long as this doesnt start to look like a sales pitch. I am here to learn and be helpfull when I can. Questions about my site or whats included in a purchase are really better in private email. Questions about how things work or what best with what, I like to answer in the forum so it can be helpfull to others and so I can be corrected. I think I'm getting better with my knowledge as I no longer seem to have a team of people following me around correcting me :)
The 6 speed freewheel appears to fit no problem as well as disk brakes. I only know this from looking at them. I have no experience installing them. I have a pair of 700c mini motors I look at everyday thinking "Damn those would look nice on my Schwin". The rims are the same as all the others and are 36 spokes as you can see from the picture I am attaching that I upped in another thread. that thread is here.
http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1588.15
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Andrew I have a question for you too lol
Can you actually pedal on the 11T cog on that epoch ??
I thought about it, then I ran 48T to 11T with 26" wheel / 120RPM (pretty darn fast pedal speed) and it worked out to be 20km/h...
So I wondered what gears you mainly use if any. Or does it just sit there with 7 gears hanging off the side of your hub while your feet get cold? :D
I can't really comment accurately as I've only ran single speed on my ebikes and pedal at low speed..
Cheers
MM
Since adding the second pie, I really have no need to use anything bar the 11T cog and the 48T chainwheel. I added the front chain wheel first while just on the rear pie and it made a distnctive difference to the 42 I had previously. The 11 cog helps keep even more resistance so at full throttle with both pies I can get a bit of exercise and push up speed slightly, although i'm mostly just pedalling against the motor I suppose? If I still had my 42/14 I would definately not be able to pedal with force running both pies, and with the 48/11 i'm definately not 'light' pedalling. Going up hill I can maintain (more or less) the speed of the both motors similar to on flat. On flat I definately pedal with force without having to pedal at a silly rate. It definately works for me, the 48/11 has been worth the investment. the only minus point I have is that it is sometimes difficult in rush hour city traffic to maintain a steady rhythm of pedalling to work up a sweat if the roads are busy. When it comes to biking i'm quite aggressive and am all or nothing in my riding style! you can even sometimes hear my knees creeking over the sound of the Pies if I haven't had my daily dose of Cod Liver Oil ;)
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(More questions)...please excuse me from overtaking this thread, but hopefully these questions maybe of use to the original poster.
1. Can you run disc brakes and a 6 or 7 cog freewheel on the mini motors? without problem?
2. do the mini motors come with the same wheel rim as the other motors?
3. Is it easy to lace a mini motor to a 26" rim? in other words, do they use ordinary/easily sourced length spokes and if so how many? 36?
Andrew :)
I don't mind the questions, as long as this doesnt start to look like a sales pitch. I am here to learn and be helpfull when I can. Questions about my site or whats included in a purchase are really better in private email. Questions about how things work or what best with what, I like to answer in the forum so it can be helpfull to others and so I can be corrected. I think I'm getting better with my knowledge as I no longer seem to have a team of people following me around correcting me :)
The 6 speed freewheel appears to fit no problem as well as disk brakes. I only know this from looking at them. I have no experience installing them. I have a pair of 700c mini motors I look at everyday thinking "Damn those would look nice on my Schwin". The rims are the same as all the others and are 36 spokes as you can see from the picture I am attaching that I upped in another thread. that thread is here.
http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1588.15
Completely understand Gary, I just wanted a few facts about the mini motor setup in general as a GM product compared to other GM motor kits.,
As for my question about what comes with a dual kit supplied by you, I apologize and in future will PM or email regarding bespoke kits supplied by you. Thanks for pointing that out, annd thanks for the thread link and info. :)
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No problem Andrew,
Thanks for understanding. I think sometimes what I like about the forum is being able to pick and choose what questions I can answer best. It is a break for the obligation I feel to respond to the unbelievable amount of email I receive on a daily basis.
After thinking about this I have come back to add this paragraph. There are many places in this forum and several other ebike forums where people have directed others to me or my website. I don't want anyone to feel bad about doing this as it is obviously good for me. I fell this is different the me trying to do sales in a forum because these are obviously either people that have dealt with me and are satisfied with the result or these are people that have firsthand experience in seeing how hard I try to make things right. New people that come to the forum may think " what pompous ass would have an avatar of them self wearing a superman outfit, who does he think he is?" Those who have been around a while know this avatar was created by members of this forum after a trail of events. I originally adopted it as my own as a joke, but after such a positive response, I decided to keep it. I am just trying to avoid people posting “Gary if I bought this, this and this, how much?”. This is not what a forum should be and I would be embarrassed to answer that. Anyway this is really starting to sound like self promotion now and I’m sure there are many GM dealers that take care of their customers. So I will get back on topic….
As for the mini motors I really do want to try a dual mini setup. I'm sure this appeals to many of us when we think about how heavy our bikes have become. Don't get me wrong, I love my dual pie with the bob trailer and all, but I often wonder what it would be like to ride into work with my phone in one shirt pocket and my wallet in the other. My son is very inspired by Lance Armstrong and wants me to get him a nice light 700c bike that he can start doing long distance training on. I think a dual mini setup for me would be perfect these rides.
Gary
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i cannot believe I missed out on that thread in the link. :D
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Hi all
Gary, yes indeed I do have a dual, but as I do so many miles, its loaded for comfort and not pretty...its a mountain trek donkey ( no pun intended ), not pretty, but built for the utmost comfort, with speakers ( ripped up usb desktop speakers), major cushioned sadal, and enough storage for rain gear, long range batteries, food, drink ( very important)...not as pretty as andrews ( im NOT jealous, HONEST !!!!), but at 2-3 hours a day, 50 miles, rain snow or sun, I love her.. ( pic attached, please be kind, she is not washed)
its amazing, ( as you can see in the pic) how different the setup has to be for a bike that does 250 miles a week, to be comfortable at 20 miles per hour
i got two posts to do, one on the wiring done on this bike ( 2000 miles of different experiences lead me to the perfect wiring configuration for me), and one on the batteries that I use day to day..i have made my own, but will post the experience for all, as im now making one for someone else and could help people to understand how the batteries are configured etc....
as for a single Magic Pie and battery for range, see attached gps map......150 kg of bike and rider managed the attached ride
http://s1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/dirtyginge/?action=view¤t=1jan.jpg
24 miles....average speeds of about 18 miles an hour
I also fitted the DNP epoch as per andrew's post, and find all the gears useable....although the miles I do each day rule out cycling, I do pedal for nearly the entire time with various gears to drop the ampage, for good calorie burn... ( then I can drink more honey wine.....lifestyle enablement :) )
feel free to ask any question ( no im not going to the himalayas, but if you get one puncture, you usually get 2, so you need three tubes :) )
(http://)
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(http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/dirtyginge/IMAG0129.jpg)
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ok help on posting picure, ima honeywine forum web noob :)
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Once image is uploaded to Photobucket: Hover mouse over photo, left click on the IMG code on the drop down box in photobucket (it will say copied). then just paste it in your post. don't do anything else. :)
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ok help on posting picure, ima honeywine forum web noob :)
Andrew is correct, thats the expert way and as I have found the only way acceptable on some forums. Here we have a simpler option. If you click "additional options" you can browse to a location on your computer and select a picture that way. It must be under 1 meg though. Using this method anyone logged in as a guest can't see the picture, only logged in members. The photobucket method everyone can see it.
I just had a look at your photobucket pictures. Wow! you certainly have a stack of bags on the back, ever considered a "BOB" trailor? The bike looks great though, there is no need to say it doesnt look pretty. When you add two pies to anything it looks great and you started with a nice bike, just the overloaded look makes it look "not so pretty".
Gary
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No problem Andrew,
Thanks for understanding. I think sometimes what I like about the forum is being able to pick and choose what questions I can answer best. It is a break for the obligation I feel to respond to the unbelievable amount of email I receive on a daily basis.
After thinking about this I have come back to add this paragraph. There are many places in this forum and several other ebike forums where people have directed others to me or my website. I don't want anyone to feel bad about doing this as it is obviously good for me. I fell this is different the me trying to do sales in a forum because these are obviously either people that have dealt with me and are satisfied with the result or these are people that have firsthand experience in seeing how hard I try to make things right. New people that come to the forum may think " what pompous ass would have an avatar of them self wearing a superman outfit, who does he think he is?" Those who have been around a while know this avatar was created by members of this forum after a trail of events. I originally adopted it as my own as a joke, but after such a positive response, I decided to keep it. I am just trying to avoid people posting “Gary if I bought this, this and this, how much?”. This is not what a forum should be and I would be embarrassed to answer that. Anyway this is really starting to sound like self promotion now and I’m sure there are many GM dealers that take care of their customers. So I will get back on topic….
I mentioned you earlier in this thread to the original poster purely as from my personal experience it is a wiser move when purchasing from GM Canada than going straight through GM China,. I was trying to help the poster, not you.. lol .
Sorry for giving you over exposure, but I feel you maybe reading into things a little deeper than what is actually on the surface. but that's just my opinion, I don't mean to rock the boat. As you are aware I'm a recent user of this forum and have very little knowledge about these products so am very careful(or try to be) about any opinions and advice I give. I can only go on my personal experience.
Pompus arse! FFS :D :D
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You are probably correct about overthinking it, Now if I could just get Alan to correct my spelling mistakes ;) I think i'll go back to the beginning of this thread and try to remind myself what it was about :D
Gary
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Hey Gingey are you going to the Himalayas??
Oh wait you already said no :D
Looks tough man, you should hook up a windscreen washer pump with a tube from you panniers to your helmet so you don't get thirsty ;)
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HI Ginge
After looking at the link again, I am fasinated by the map and the detailed information provided on the right side and below. How is this done?
Gary
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as im a runner, I use a watch called the Garmin forerunner 305, its a GPS watch that provides realtime gps speed altitude and performance data whilst on the run, it also has multisport for biking etc....
You can record previous workouts / routes and next time race against yourself .....truly excellent...speed.average, heart rate calories mileage laptimes etc etc...about £100 now in the uk
The GPS maps / tracks are then loaded into web software, in this case www.endomondo.com
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=142&pID=349
hope the link works, otherwise any google search will do
try www.endomondo.com...search for paul kinsella united kingdom, there are various workouts there you can see the different info
regards
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p.s the panniers hold the home built batteries on either side, low down to the ground over the rear wheel, and the waterproof clothes ....
sometimes in my commute im 10 miles from the nearest town....need toolkit, 2-3 tubes, folding tyre, compressed air pump etc etc etc
after years of long distance daily cycling, I can tell you, you need to be able to strip down the bike on the roadside, if you cannot, you havent got enough on the bike........if it can happen it will
but town commuting is definitely different.....
as for trailers, im really thinking about it, but they are not common in the uk ( ive never seen one in 20 years), and this will definitely be like a large red target for police, drunk youth etc etc.....but hey, im a drunk old so its still an option
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as for trailers, im really thinking about it, but they are not common in the uk ( ive never seen one in 20 years), and this will definitely be like a large red target for police, drunk youth etc etc.....but hey, im a drunk old so its still an option
Sounds like you need a trailor big enough to sleep in ;)
I also carry everything I need for any repair or whether. Nothing worse then sitting there thinking "why didn't I bring my stuff? It's there, in a bag, all I had to do was take it!"
Gary
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as im a runner, I use a watch called the Garmin forerunner 305, its a GPS watch that provides realtime gps speed altitude and performance data whilst on the run, it also has multisport for biking etc....
Very cool! For a person that always feels like I just have to have it all, I like it!
Ok you got me, I am now looking locally on ebay.ca for this watch follow the link
http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Garmin-Forerunner-305-Waterproof-Running-GPS-/280585089145?pt=GPS_Devices&hash=item41542cb079
Is this the same watch. Are there differrent versions. I see some say waterproof. Are they all the same? is a 305 a 305 and thats it?
I have come back 3 times to edit this now. I just found all the versions on the garmin website. Now Im looking at the 405cx.
Seriously you guys have to stop showing me this stuff! :o
Gary
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yup, I have ruined the lives of everyone around me, showing them sports gadgets, electric bikes and homebrewing :)
The watches are for the most part waterproof, but there are some connectors on the back ( contact pads) that corrode a bit with sweat, however cover with insulating tape and all is fine...
i use the 305 standard, but there are more 305 versions suited for different tasks
you can also get a cadence sensor for the bike, so the gps will track pedalling rates, heart rate monitor comes as standard etc
you can set min max speeds and have the watch tell you off if you go too fast etc
handlebar mounts are available for them
( gary's savings dissapate faster than a 6 amp sla)
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The watches are for the most part waterproof, but there are some connectors on the back ( contact pads) that corrode a bit with sweat, however cover with insulating tape and all is fine...
I find that very hard to believe, you ride a bike with dual pies and you still manage to raise a sweat! ::)
Perhaps it's a side effect of the increased adrenalin that's bound to be produced riding a bike with all that power.
Alan
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yup, I have ruined the lives of everyone around me, showing them sports gadgets, electric bikes and homebrewing :)
The watches are for the most part waterproof, but there are some connectors on the back ( contact pads) that corrode a bit with sweat, however cover with insulating tape and all is fine...
i use the 305 standard, but there are more 305 versions suited for different tasks
you can also get a cadence sensor for the bike, so the gps will track pedalling rates, heart rate monitor comes as standard etc
you can set min max speeds and have the watch tell you off if you go too fast etc
handlebar mounts are available for them
( gary's savings dissapate faster than a 6 amp sla)
I came so close to clicking the "buy it now" button last night. I did manage to resist, but I don't know how long it will last. The last time this happened someone said "Hey, have you ever seen a BOB trailor?" Im sure you know how that turned out. Also I never realized who you were before until I saw your name yesterday. It looked familiar so I looked you up and you have bought from me several times. I thank you for that ;D
Gary