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Offline Troopermanaic@yahoo.com

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Hello this is my first post and hopefully I will have my dream bike before this post dies =D

Anyway my main goal is to create an enduro motorcycle that can be used for offroad and onroad applications, my friend recommended me to buy the 72V HPM5000B electric motor.

Well I may need some help getting this done, I can get an entire bike minus the motor of course but im not entirely sure what I need to make this complete, also I need to keep this street legal.

PS~ I have a friend who welds and he is very good at it so I am now worried about that I am just worried about getting the bike what it needs to go if anyone can halp me decide the parts thats necessary I would be grateful.

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 08:05:01 PM »
OK I did some researching and I think I may have everything I need to make this work, if I am missing anything PLEASE can you tell me also if there is anything I can improve on I would be happy to listen.

Heres the parts I gathered so far
BAC-0282P
48V/50A


HPM5000B- 48V


4x Optima yellow top batteries 12V each


BAC-0111
48V


I know I need a pinion gear I will worry about that later, here is the 2 types of bikes I plan on converting to electric I probably will go with the street bike.



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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 09:00:19 PM »
This controller is not suitable for this motor.

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 09:12:12 PM »
Do you think this one is better?


I plan on getting the 500A one if it does work

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 10:09:20 PM »
Sure this is the one! But be aware that the 50A of the magic controller or the 500A of this one is the peak current and not the nominal, check the nominal current of the HPC300A or the HPC500A at the user manual (the link below this image at the Goldenmotor.com website)

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 11:08:02 PM »
Hmm if you hadn't said something I wouldn't have noticed it ,the hub motor peaks at 300A so I don't need to buy the 500A model. The norm of the motor controller is 120A/180A THE PROBLEM is that the motors norm is 100A. Do you think that will be too much of a problem? I personally don't think so.

PS~ I am not Technician so this kinda confuses me but that wont stop me =D

OK to make things more simple is this correct? I hope this doesn't make me look stupid LOL.

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 11:31:15 PM »
The black wire is to the B- and negative pole of battery, the multi pin plug is for throttle, regen and hall sensors

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Re: Basic wiring details
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 02:50:04 PM »
OK to make things more simple is this correct?

The wiring for the batteries is wrong, you have shown them wired in parallel which would only give 12V, and you have managed to connect them directly across the fuse. ???

It should look more like this:

More information regarding the wiring of the older multiplug can be found here.
EDIT: This controller now uses a 23 Pin connector instead of the 14 pin connector as on the HPC100B. I will try and provide some details to suit. See post below
In the above diagram, I have just shown a 48V contactor (heavy duty relay) being used to disconnect the power to the controller, but I would also suggest fitting a manual isolator switch similar to this:

The isolator switch must be capable of safely carrying the maximum current and should be fitted into the positive battery cable (as well as the contactor) just to play safe.

Several sprockets with 7/8" diameter holes suitable for this motor can be found here.

Hope this information helps.

Alan
 
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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 04:02:17 PM »
Thanks for the information, this will be very useful to me. I don't know because I never ordered the controller but do you think the controller comes with the adapter on the bottom right? I never seen it before I would have a hard time finding one.

PS~ I just got a Yamaha YZ off a friend last night I am gonna convert it into an enduro bike and have it comply with NJ moter vehicle laws.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 04:12:25 PM by Troopermanaic@yahoo.com »

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 04:53:38 PM »
this is gunna be awesome!@!!
might have to do one of these myself hey make sure you take lots of piccccs !@ ::D:D:D

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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 10:21:54 PM »
OK is this correct?

Those 2 holes confuse me a little bit in the middle
one is to a brake and the other is for forward and reverse. Why I am confused about it is that there is just one pin for each, wouldn't there be a + and - for each.


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Re: Controller wiring details now updated!
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 12:02:14 AM »
OK is this correct?

Those 2 holes confuse me a little bit in the middle
one is to a brake and the other is for forward and reverse. Why I am confused about it is that there is just one pin for each, wouldn't there be a + and - for each.



If I'd looked closer at the photo in the first place I would have realised the multiplug was different to the old controller. Even though it has 23 pins instead of the old 14 pin version, the -ve ground wires from the throttle, brake switch, reverse switch and hall sensors do not appear to connect through any of the multiplug pins, so they would need to be connected directly to the B- connection instead.

Hopefully this updated explanation of the HPC300A/500A controller connections will help:
Ref. Page 2 of the User guide.
(Motor wires are shown in bold)

Screw terminal Connections
    B+     Battery Positive/Supply (Heavy duty Red)
    B-     Battery Negative/Ground (Heavy Duty Black)
    U      Motor Phase Wire (Thick Blue)
    V      Motor Phase Wire (Thick Yellow)
    W     Motor Phase Wire (Thick Green)

23 Pin Plug connections
  Pin  1    Controller Power on (& Contactor coil energised) (Red) +ve feed from key switch
  Pin  2    Not used
  Pin  3    Not used
  Pin  4    Not used
  Pin  5    Not used
  Pin  6    Not used
  Pin  7    Not used
  Pin  8    Contactor coil negative wire
  Pin  9    Not used
  Pin 10   Not used    
  Pin 11   Throttle Control 5V supply (Red)
  Pin 12   Throttle Control Signal Wire (White?)
  Pin 13   To Ground via Brake Switch
  Pin 14   Motor Hall Sensor 5V Supply Wire (Thin Red)
  Pin 15   Not used
  Pin 16   Not used
  Pin 17   Not used
  Pin 18   To Ground via Fwd/Rev Switch
  Pin 19   Not used
  Pin 20   Not used
  Pin 21   Motor Hall Sensor Wire (Thin Yellow)
  Pin 22   Motor Hall Sensor Wire (Thin Green)
  Pin 23   Motor Hall Sensor Wire (Thin Blue)

Throttle, Brake switch, reverse switch and Motor Hall Sensor Black leads must be grounded to B-.

Pin layout (As viewed from the cable side of the plug)

    (1)   (2)    (3)   (4)    (5)    (6)    (7)    (8)

      (9)   (10)   (11)  (12)  (13)  (14)  (15)

   (16)  (17)
  (18)  (19)  (20)  (21)  (22)   (23)


Plug Part No: 770680-1
Click Here for more details.

I think these details are correct now.



Alan
 
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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2010, 12:43:49 AM »
So if my calculations are correct then this pic I mocked up is flawless?


PS if you hold CTRL and use the scroll wheel on your mouse at the same time you can zoom in
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Re: Almost there
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 01:25:25 AM »
So if my calculations are correct then this pic I mocked up is flawless?


PS if you hold CTRL and use the scroll wheel on your mouse at the same time you can zoom in

But still not quite flawless. ;)

It should be a bit more like this:

Click to enlarge


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Re: Cheap solar powered Enduro project [will use for offroad application]
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 06:43:57 AM »
OMG I am scared, I just checked out this video which has this motor on it and its got some crazy power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VTdz-5BT3s

I think I might be able to reach the highway speed laws with this.

I already knew id be able to keep up with my friends off road because of electric motors torquie nature but deeaaamm.

How long do you think it will take for this bettery to die?

http://www.all-battery.com/48v13000mahnimhbatterypackcustomize.aspx

Im looking for at least 2 hours of runtime of course not at 100% load
« Last Edit: September 20, 2010, 11:14:19 PM by Troopermanaic@yahoo.com »