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Title: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 15, 2010, 06:47:35 PM
hello guys I ordered 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle for it . I want to know if anyone has got it .If someone knows please let me know how it works.I want to use 48 volt but I don't know maximum amps. I wish to use 12 v 45 amp 4 batteries.
Will I burn the controller??? or will everything melt  :o  I'm not so good in electric . now I build the first electric chopper  . please help. I build choppere moto and bike but not electric I work with metal.    when I will recive my wheel then I will take both pictures and video to show you all how it goes.    kindly valy
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: GM Brazil on April 15, 2010, 07:47:53 PM
The amperage of the battery is given in Ah, that is Ampere Hour, and means the capacity not the actual current that it will delivery, you can use a 200000Ah battery, no problem, that just means you will have more energy capacity, more range than a smaller one.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Bikemad on April 15, 2010, 11:43:23 PM
you can use a 200000Ah battery, no problem

Bruno, I would imagine the size, weight and cost would all be a problem with a 200000Ah battery.
I suspect that charging it would also be a major problem too! ;D

hello guys I ordered 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist torttle for it . I want to know if anyone has got it .
I want to use 48 volt but I don't know maximum amps. I wish to use 12 v 45 amp 4 batteries.
Will I burn the controller??? or will everything melt  :o  

Valy, I didn't realise the 18" Pie was even available, but it seems it is, 48V certainly won't be a problem for it, as the controller automatically limits the current to to a safe level to prevent things from melting! ;)

Alan
 
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: Leslie on April 16, 2010, 03:51:59 AM
I think he means 4X12 45ah batteries in series (48v).


Sounds like hes got some SLA's linned up

Very heavy bike if this is the case.

As said above it wont melt.

And you will need at least a 5 amp charger to charge it up at a reasonable speed.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: Leslie on April 16, 2010, 03:55:55 AM
But certainly 60kgs of lead, motor weight, rider and bike may melt the stator insulator on a hot day. 
What type of battery are you going to use?

Ooops the PIE is heat protected.

Edit:

If the bike is too heavy, it may run and cut out all the time due to heat.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: GM Brazil on April 16, 2010, 06:05:45 AM
Yep, agreed!

The problem is not the current, but the weight. What type of battery are you using?

Alan: For the 200000Ah battery I did not specified that I will be using 1000 Magic Pies below it!  ;D Just kidding, the 200000Ah battery is made of quantum bose-einsten ion condensates and do not wight more than 5g, so it is not heavy... I use them at the FTL core of my bike.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 16, 2010, 08:34:13 AM
Hello guys!
 Dont take me hard .I m very happy to see you interest in my project , but like  I said i'm not specialist in electric.
 I don't know wich batterie is the best. I need help .
  I want too use big amps because my chopper will look  like a motorcycle. If I will have problem with hevy batteries maybe I will put 2 motor front and back. will be another problem conection with hand throttle .
 Can somebody draw for me an  elecrtic wiering  for 2 motor.
 About the  batteries .  I have to  consult your guys.     ;D  To buy the best for my project I need links, adresses  to see and chose the batterie after the price an needs.
For my projekt I need big amps because i'm a big guy and my el. mini moto will be for crusing and I don't want to finish my batteries over the corner.
 I wish to have 1 hour continuosly driving, not full speed, crusing only on the flat .
I saw on you tube big motorcycles with very big car batteries. My projekt will be in between a  big motorcycle  and electricbike. sorry for my english I'm from Romania but I live in Sweden  Kindly Valy
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: North on April 16, 2010, 09:31:41 AM
Motorcykel batterier från Biltema skulle nog fungera, bly/gel batterier finns I olika storlekar typ 12V 2.5A till 21A (1kg till 7kg) .

Kolla in http://www.electro-mobile.se/ har också batterier.

ps
twist turttle=vrid sköldpadda.
ds
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: Leslie on April 16, 2010, 11:23:44 AM
Hello guys!
 Dont take me hard .I m very happy to see you interest in my project , but like  I said i'm not specialist in electric.
 I don't know wich batterie is the best. I need help .
  I want too use big amps because my chopper will look  like a motorcycle. If I will have problem with hevy batteries maybe I will put 2 motor front and back. will be another problem conection with hand turtlle  .
 Can somebody draw for me an  elecrtic wiering  for 2 motor.
 About the  batteries .  I have to  consult your guys.     ;D  To buy the best for my project I need links, adresses  to see and chose the batterie after the price an needs.
For my projekt I need big amps because i'm a big guy and my el. mini moto will be for crusing and I don't want to finish my batteries over the corner.
 I wish to have 1 hour continuosly driving, not full speed, crusing only on the flat .
I saw on you tube big motorcycles with very big car batteries. My projekt will be in between a  big motorcycle  and electricbike. sorry for my english I'm from Romania but I live in Sweden  Kindly Valy

The lithium battery has better volts than lead acid (SLA) per KG.

I have 35kg of lead on my bike and it is too heavy.  Because I am not overweight it is not as bad.

Yes big batteries on a chopper can work and look gnarly. 

The Magic Pie only takes so much current and the rest will make the bike go far.

To much hand turtle (throttle) will make the ride hard with small pack. I don't know about hand turtles, they sound suspicious :D



 
Title: Re: Dual Magic Pie wiring
Post by: Bikemad on April 16, 2010, 11:57:40 AM
I use them at the FTL core of my bike.

Bruno, Don't you find it very frustrating to have all that speed available and nowhere to use it safely, aren't you concerned that the regen may not be able to cope?

My advice would be to use less throttle, so that other road users will actually be able to see you coming, as your brakes may struggle to absorb all that energy when someone pulls out in front of you! ;)

I guess it really must be a Magic Pie to allow FTL speeds. ;D


Can somebody draw for me an  electric wiring  for 2 motor.

It's basically very simple, two Magic Pies would share eight common connections:

The brake switches could simply be wired to the respective motor to allow front and rear regenerative braking to be used independently, but this might not comply with legal requirements for cutting the power to both motors when either brake is operated.

Independent brake switches would also cause a problem when the cruise control function is used as you would need to use both brakes to stop front and rear cruise operation.
 
I presumed you would not be using Pedelec. ;)


Alan
  
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 16, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
hello again and thank you for help. ansure for Alan I don't use pedalic will be to havy to pedal,
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 16, 2010, 03:32:58 PM
thank you north if I don't find another option I will go to biltema . but I still try too find beter ;)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 16, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
about brake if must I will use motorcycle  or big scooters . to se what is match on Magic Pie
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 16, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
haw good they are gel battery ???
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: GM Brazil on April 16, 2010, 07:41:56 PM
They are heavy, have low current capacity, last maximum a year. They will make the bike/motorcycle more danger and difficult to handle because of wheight and are very bad for the environment!

They look cheaper if compared with the Li-Ion ones, bot they are not, as the Li-Ion lasts for 5 to 7 years it makes them cheaper for the long therm. At the time you will need to change a LiFePO4 battery for example you would already needed to change the lead acid batteries 7 times!!

Put the numbers in the paper, sometimes you can buy the lead acid for the start and with the economy you have on gas you buy the LiFePO4 later :D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: Leslie on April 17, 2010, 01:18:41 AM
SLA Gell batteries worked for me. But I will not buy them again.  My last SLA, brand is Ritar SLA/gel battery lasted a long time compared to many other brands I bought.

But Long is 8 mths for SLA compared to years with lithium.

Some brands of 18ah sla I used lasted no more than a month before they were useless.

There is no waist though, I use my spent lead batteries on my evolving home solar system. I have three Redundant 24ah SLA now charged by 50 watt of panels.
 
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: Leslie on April 17, 2010, 01:36:39 AM
Yep, agreed!

The problem is not the current, but the weight. What type of battery are you using?

Alan: For the 200000Ah battery I did not specified that I will be using 1000 Magic Pies below it!  ;D Just kidding, the 200000Ah battery is made of quantum bose-einsten ion condensates and do not wight more than 5g, so it is not heavy... I use them at the FTL core of my bike.



I have a new project.  I need to convert the power source from this car.

(http://atwtg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/4vmnclei017r0008.jpg)

http://www.atwtg.com/index.php/cadillac-wtf-the-worlds-second-nuclear-powered-car.html

It must fit on a fold up bike like this.

(http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/backpack-bicycle.jpg)

Cadillac WTF uses thorium to act as a nuclear fuel powering batteries.

How fast will my fold up bike go and how far.  Will I need a BMS?

 :P ;)



Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist thorttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
ok then acid  and gel battery I can  exclude them totally.
 I will look too find lithium or something else ?.
 I would like to put some pictures in this topic , but I don't know how to do it   ??? ?
 I have same bike projects so so  not totaly finished , could I  show you the material what I found for this project will be an aluminium frame with steal for ranforsment .
i really hope that someone understads what I am writing  ;)

thanks for your help   :)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: GM Brazil on April 17, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
If the picture is already in the internet you can copy the url of that image and put it between "[img ]http://copy_url_here[/img ]" without those "" and spaces

If they are at your computer and are not too large, you can click at additional options below your text area and attach the file!

Or, you can just copy the link to the image anywhere and we click on it to see :D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
thank you very mutch.     I will try.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
this is what I found... in specification they said  20ah is for 800w motor  the best . and for 1000w motor is better to have 30ah . price  oooooo :o 787 dollar for 48v 20 amps.    for 40 ah   close to duble. plus charger. not sow fun :'(
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 09:17:39 PM
this is my dream  :o    sweds they are good ?
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 09:21:57 PM
sorry the battery  price is for  pingbattery  same 48v-20ah not what is in picture ;D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 17, 2010, 09:38:44 PM
Lifetech Energi   have very good battery.and General Electronics Battery Co.,Ldt   but expensive .everythink what you want.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 18, 2010, 02:42:31 PM
I promise some pictures from my  projects
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 18, 2010, 03:16:08 PM
more
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 18, 2010, 03:17:44 PM
my son bike
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist turttle
Post by: GM Brazil on April 18, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
WOw!!

Very nice!!!! Congratulations, all very original :D I really would like to see those with an electric set up!
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on April 22, 2010, 10:04:07 PM
Im still waiting my wheel kit and I m upset >:(
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 01, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
haw look naw . is ready for electric kit  .  but is not coming it is over 13 days.  ???
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 02, 2010, 12:56:05 AM
Shweeet curves.

I'm just starting to get a good bead on a stick welder.

This is something Id like to do myself.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 02, 2010, 01:25:57 AM
haw look naw . is ready for electric kit  .  but is not coming it is over 13 days.  ???

(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2077.0;attach=2038;image)

All you need to finish off the look is some great fairings.


http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29713 (http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29713)

(http://stashbox.org/305082/fairie.jpg)

This guys says hes selling them for $399 each.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 02, 2010, 01:52:18 AM
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2077.0;attach=2037;image)

The only criticism I could give is that pointed weapon thing near the cranks could be dangerous in an accident or to poor unsuspecting animals that may run in there, going at 45kph, ouch.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 03, 2010, 05:01:12 PM
today the magic is here   .mutch disepoiment  >:(       some pictures
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 03, 2010, 05:03:37 PM
more picture
 I don't understand what is the problem with the disc  is it for  wrong side ??? is coming in side where the chain  supose to be. ???You guys can you help me please  ???
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 03, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
more pictures where you can see 18 wheel inch golden motor is inside the 17 inch motorcycle rim . Is it normal  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.golden wheel look like 12 inch ;D :'(
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 03, 2010, 05:20:26 PM
I have many questions  ???  .
 This wheel is not what it is in the Golden Motor picture.   (see the site)
 It is better if Golden Motor put pictures of each size of wheel(16,18,20.cast) because they look different,and to write under the pictures . which tire can be fitted in each one of them.

all the parts came with scraches (bad delivery) or....Golden Motors fault.I >:( >:( >:(t also came without instructions . >:( :-\
 
 
The cable for the wheel have one cut it's not mutch but  I don't like it. (Golden Motor is not good in  packing. Next time put some cover on the cables ,and something   on the wheel .(plastic cover or something)  comming more.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Bikemad on May 03, 2010, 11:35:10 PM
more pictures where you can see 18 wheel inch golden motor is inside the 17 inch motorcycle rim . Is it normal  ?

Valy, the sizing of motorcycle and pushbike wheels is done differently.
On a motorcycle with a 18" rim, the 18" relates to the tyre bead diameter (the inner diameter of the tyre), but on a push bike it relates to the overall tyre size (the outer diameter of the tyre).

As the Magic Pie is intended for pushbikes, it is therefore measured as per all other pushbike wheels.

I don't understand what is the problem with the disc  is it for  wrong side ??? is coming in side where the chain  supose to be. ???You guys can you help me please  ???

You have been supplied with a screw on disc instead of the bolt on one which the Magic Pie requires.  It looks like someone has made a mistake with the packing and accidentally supplied you with the wrong brake disc! ::)

Alan
 
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 04, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
Thank you again  Alan you are the best  :) answer promt all the time. 
how  do they think too send a disc screewd to a (  rear wheel   ) and with hols for disc in a oder side
today I have been in a bike shop and I ask abaout tire and they told me don't have. and don't hire abaut 18 inch in a bike wheel. where I kan find tire for this wheel I whish to have 2.75 or 3.50 if exist for this wheel
 (in europe)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 04, 2010, 07:40:42 PM
Nice kit.

Looks awesome with no spokes.  Very strong.

Shame about the disc though.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 05, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
hello .
today I will try to start the motor on 24 volt bicause I m scared to burn the controller.
 this is the first time when I do this electric stuff . if this works I will put a video online.
WISH ME LUCK !!!  ;D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 05, 2010, 09:12:41 PM
hello
 my motor it is work .
but when I move the cables the motor start to bip 3 time and stop.
  maibe the conection is bad or cable with problem they are to thin  very easi to break. I will buy anoder battery to try on 36 volt.
the speed is very slow in 24 volt ,
 what is with red buton for the throttle I press on or off and  motor is work anyway .  for what it is  ???
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Bikemad on May 06, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Valy, three beeps indicates a throttle fault, check the throttle wires carefully at the connectors.

Check this post for more details (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1626.msg8134#msg8134)

The red button is not connected to anything, but it can be used to turn your lights on and off etc. as long as the current is relatively low, usually used with the LED lights.
You should have two spare wires (a brown and a yellow one) coming from the throttle cable, these are wired to this red switch on the throttle control unit.

I will buy anoder battery to try on 36 volt.
the speed is very slow in 24 volt

Just tested it with 36V and 48V and I will newer ride it with 36V again! Sure it is just 10km/h diffrence in top speed, but everything else is awsome!

Alan
 
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 07, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
hello
  I wish to put a fuse on the + cable but I don't  know how many amps to put if you kan help me  ??? for 36 volt 30amp battery  or 48 volt 30amp battery .
 my light in throttle is full in 36 volt .this  is a 36 volt throttle ??? I don't find tire bigger then 18,2 inch
 sombody know if exist ???18 3,50 or18, 4inch.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 08, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
hello
  I wish to put a fuse on the + cable but I don't  know how many amps to put if you kan help me  ??? for 36 volt 30amp battery  or 48 volt 30amp battery .
 my light in throttle is full in 36 volt .this  is a 36 volt throttle ??? I don't find tire bigger then 18,2 inch
 sombody know if exist ???18 3,50 or18, 4inch.

Thats been a well discussed question.

You have a BMS that should limit the current just above what the Pie uses.  If that doesnt work as expected you want 35 amps.

But what makes all this a useless waste of font.

Read on.

There is still is the warning "Important Note: While using regenerative braking, DO NOT turn off the battery". as per GM PDF installation Guide  If the fuse blows while braking the controller could fail..

Use a 45, 50 amp fuse just to be safe .

Be gentle Valy.

Set it up.  Do not run the motor when not tightened the nuts properly.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 08, 2010, 11:31:05 AM
Or no fuse at all. Seriously.

Do not ride bike unless you.

Make a very good connection. Be sure no thing will interrupt the power connection.  Never.

Tape your plugs together.  Make good tight wheel nuts and throttle.  Check brakes, all connections.  Cord leads are out of the way and tied to frame.

When it is all good.

Ride it and enjoy.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Bikemad on May 08, 2010, 11:37:54 AM
Do run the motor when not tightened the nuts properly

Leslie, I think you meant to say  DON'T ;)

It won't make any difference to the current whether you use a 36 or 48 Volt battery, the maximum current limit of the controller will still be the same.

Mine appears to be limited to ~20 Amps, but some are set at ~30Amps. 21.23Amps is the highest reading I have obtained on my Turnigy Watt Meter, and that was during some steep hill off road use.

Alan
 
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Leslie on May 08, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
Do run the motor when not tightened the nuts properly

Leslie, I think you meant to say  DON'T ;)

It won't make any difference to the current whether you use a 36 or 48 Volt battery, the maximum current limit of the controller will still be the same.

Mine appears to be limited to ~20 Amps, but some are set at ~30Amps. 21.23Amps is the highest reading I have obtained on my Turnigy Watt Meter, and that was during some steep hill off road use.

Alan 

Fixed.

Its just one of the early videos circulating around had one man show us how his golden motor worked running it full RPM holding it with his fingers..

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 12, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
some electric work. in a rainy day  ;D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 12, 2010, 07:23:20 PM
more cables
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 12, 2010, 07:25:49 PM
2 more
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 07:17:16 PM
hello today I recive my tire
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 07:29:33 PM
some problem with valve.
 I must to drill anoder hole in one side of the rim . and cover the original hole with tape
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 07:33:54 PM
naw it is ok.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 07:37:18 PM
naw the kids have fun ;D they drove all day
and the tube have a little hole I must too fix it(new tube.with small  small hole)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
in after noon I drive the bike in the tawn 20 km and  I I had still 24,5 volt when I come homme
I have only 24 volt because for my  son is too mutch 36 volt. hi have only 8 year and hi it is skeard :o
I will put some video but naw I have problem with video codec >:(
GOLDEN MOTOR 18 INCH CASTED WHEEL IT IS VERY ,VERY ,VERY ....SILENT . in very bigg hill make little sound in a full throttle. but with pedal help is no sound  ;D  naw all my kids want one electric bike : :o my son is very happy  8) ;D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Hardcore on May 17, 2010, 09:05:05 PM
Try using adobe premiere cs4 or cs5, it support almost everything. Except foreign codes. Or try decoders on google.
Well hope to see a vid of 24 v :D
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on May 17, 2010, 09:23:39 PM
I have a new canon legria fs200  with 3cd driver but in my computer is work 3-4 sec stop 2-3sec start 3-4sec stop again etc..
.I will try your advice. to see if it is work .thank you.
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on July 23, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
hello my son bike with  lifepo4 battery
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on July 23, 2010, 11:17:38 PM
(http://www.arhservices.co.uk/GoldenMotor/ValyVideo.JPG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbMZSVtt14)
Title: Re: 18 wheel Magic Pie and twist throttle
Post by: Valy on July 24, 2010, 12:08:00 AM
(http://www.arhservices.co.uk/GoldenMotor/ValyVideo2.JPG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHiizCQ93Zo)