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Offline Braddubya

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48v motor and 48v VEC300 on 72v?
« on: April 10, 2022, 04:46:59 AM »
I acquired a 48v 5kw Golden Motor and a 48v VEC300.

I want to do 72v. From what I have gathered I *think* I can program the controller to 72v. Is this true? Is there somewhere I can get the stock 72V settings?

As for the motor is there a difference between the 48V motor and the 72v? Or is it the same motor with different specs based on different voltages? If it is different is there any issue running it at 72V? This is very common for other motors.

Thanks all - I hope to post a build thread for my new E-Cafe Racer build!   ;D

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Re: 48v motor and 48v VEC300 on 72v?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2022, 01:04:43 PM »
I don't know whether the 48V and 72V controllers are physically different or whether it is just the default programming that determines which is supplied when you order them.

If the controller is able to run on 72V, it should automatically populate the relevant voltage settings when you change the Nominal battery voltage setting.

If the controller is physically unable to run on 72V, I would not expect the 72V option to be available from the dropdown box menu.

The 48V and 72V HPM5000 motors definitely have different stator windingsaccording to the specifications:
Quote from: goldenmotor.com website
Phase Resistance (Milliohm): 6.2/48V; 12.0/72V; 36.0/120V
Phase Induction(100KHZ): 68uH/48V; 154uH/72V; 504uH/120V
Speed: 2000-6000rpm (customizable)

A 48V motor running on 72V should have a 50% higher maximum unloaded rpm (e.g. 6,600 rpm instead of 4,400 rpm).

The 48V motor should run OK on 72V as long as you don't try to push too high a current through it and cause the winding to overheat.
As the HPM5000 motor has a built in temperature sensor, if you make sure that you have the Motor overtemperature protection enable set to 1:Enable it should not (theoretically) allow the motor to overheat and damage the windings.

Unfortunately, I don't know how well the controller's MOSFETs will cope with switching the increased current load caused by the lower resistance of the 48V motor's stator windings.  :-\

The only other problem I can foresee is the greater centrifugal/centripetal force acting upon the magnets at high rpm.



If it's being spun faster than 6,000 rpm and one of the bonded magnets detaches itself from the rotor, it could cause considerable damage inside the motor.  :o

Alan
 

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Re: 48v motor and 48v VEC300 on 72v?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2022, 11:01:00 PM »
For anyone else who may have this question Golden Motor did reply in email to confirm that they are the same controllers with different stock settings. I have ordered the programming cable so that I can make the changes.

Thank you for the response as well Bikemad. I will make sure to be cautious of the rpm, though I have read of people spinning above 8000rpm and getting away with it without any damage. I am sure that is playing a dangerous game though.

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Re: 48v motor and 48v VEC300 on 72v?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2022, 08:01:25 PM »
Hi @Braddubya.

How did you get on with running the 48V motor at 72V?

As I'm looking to do the same  - not for the RPM increase, but because the rest of the project (other motors and controllers) work better at 72V, so to make use of my 48V GM 10kW & VEC500 I'll need to run them at 72V too :-)

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Re: 48v motor and 48v VEC300 on 72v?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2023, 08:17:01 PM »
No need to respond to my previous reply: I went ahead and reprogrammed my 48V VEC500 controller to 72V. Running both "48V" versions of controller and motor (GM 10kW) at 72V seems to work fine - so good so far anyway.