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Offline fgcity

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Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:31:20 AM »
Hi guys,

I just finished hooking up the Cycle Analyst v3 to my Magic Pie III. Besides the Throttle I also hooked up the Brake signals (just like seeing that icon work when I press it) although the Magic Pie controller already cuts off the throttle when brakes are applied.

The Cycle Analyst v3 also has a nice Temperature indication and signals to connect one but I don't know if the controller it self has a temperature sensor in it.

So my question is, does the controller have a temperature sensor on the PCB? If it does, does it have any signal coming out of the enclosure for it? Is the sensor Analog or digital in nature (if it has one)?

Also I am not sure if anyone can answer this but what temperature is the Cycle analyst supposed to show? The battery temp of the controller?

Another quick question. Since I already have everything bolted on my bike it would take a good day to take it all apart to work on. Can anyone tell me what are the logic levels on the controller? Is the micro and other logic operating on 5v or 3.3v? I am asking because if I end up connecting the sensor by my self, the Cycle Analyst works on 5v logic (from what I can tell by the signal description) and if the MP3 controller is doing its ... Magic :) on 3.3v (to save some power) then I would need to do some level conversions to make this work.

In any case thank you for reading this in advance :)

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Re: Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 02:49:33 PM »
Hi Demetris andto the forum.

I'm not sure whether the MPIII's controller has a thermistor fitted or not, although there is one component that looks a bit like a thermistor, but as it is labelled as C34 on the circuit board, I'm guessing it's just a capacitor.

There are eight wires in the external cable which connects directly to the controller:
  • Thick Red wire: Battery + Supply
  • Thick Black wire : Battery - Ground
  • Thin Green wire labelled "sb" = Throttle Hall Sensor Output Signal (0-5V)
  • Thin Blue wire labelled "br" = Signal from Brake Lever Switch (Grounded when brakes are applied)
  • Thin White wire labelled "+5" = 5V Supply for Throttle Control and Pedelec Sensor
  • Thin Red wire labelled "xun" = Cruise Control Signal (Grounded when Cruise Button is pressed)
  • Thin Black wire labelled "rx" = Reverse and programming Signal (Connect to Ground to Reverse motor direction)
  • Thin Yellow wire labelled "pas" = Output Signal from Pedelec Sensor

If you want to fit a separate temperature probe inside the motor, the best place to mount it would be against the windings themselves, as I would expect the windings to get hotter under continuous high current loads than the controller itself.

Regarding the logic voltage, there are actually two low voltages that I have noticed on the controller;
The first is the obvious 5V supply, which is used for powering the Hall Sensors, Throttle and Pedelec Sensor.
The second is a 12V supply, which I suspect is used to power the switching of the Gate connections on the MOSFETs, as a higher Gate voltage should produce a lower voltage drop between the Source and Drain contacts, allowing high current to be switched more efficiently, hopefully producing less heat too.

Alan
 
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Re: Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 02:54:59 PM »
Thank you for the reply Alan, seems I shall have to get my hands dirty :) ... again :)

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Re: Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 02:58:24 PM »
I have installed a temperature sensor (10k NTC) in my SmartPie and that probably saved my motor when trying out 80v (it reached 110'C pretty fast)
I have attached a picture showing where I put my thermistor, if it is of interest.
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Re: Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 03:16:37 PM »
Thank you. That's about where I put mine as well yesterday evening.

Just a quick question. How much voltage can I actually give the Magic Pie 3 to its default Speed controller? Just curius I guess in case I want to experiment a bit :)

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Re: Magic Pie III Maximum Controller Voltage
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »
The maximum safe voltage is ~60V, but please note that this is the absolute maximum not the nominal battery voltage.

So you cannot just use a 24V and 36V pack in series because the combined actual voltage of the fully charged packs would be nearer 72V, which would greatly exceed both the controller's 60V maximum limit and the capacitor's 63V rating too.

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Re: Magic Pie III Temperature output?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 04:01:17 PM »
Thank you. Good to know the specs of the controller. Not looking to juice up my brand new Pie just yet :) Already rode 100Km and am pretty happy with the stock setup right now.