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Offline o00scorpion00o

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Installing Controller In Battery Case
« on: August 25, 2010, 11:11:37 AM »

Fitting the controller into the battery case (or having the option) I think would be a good idea and would greatly simplify the installation process of external controller kits, not to mention being more tidy!

I have seen it done before on the internet, I can't remember where. But I think it would be a great idea?

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Re: Installing Controller In Battery Case
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 01:19:49 PM »
Hey totally agreed mate

Do you mean for the external controller? Because after reading some posts I've realised the GM standard case doesn't fit the external controller with the cap 'hump' in the casing

I'd like to see an aluminum one introduced from GM with waterproof connections :) but I guess you can throw one together from parts on ebay for under $30

I like that guys bike with the fibreglass mould over the batteries and CA it looked tops :D

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Re: Installing Controller In Battery Case
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 05:31:33 PM »
I too suggested this no too long ago, not just for appearances but for reliability..

The power circuit from battery to controller is most important and no interruptions of the circuit should happen. This idea solves many mains connection issues that could arise from an external connection.


I envisage a battery box with controller with guided docking port with slip in, lock and enclose feature and a proper on off switch and fuse to compliment the key switch and avoid connection arcs.

Also cells come in a plastic heat shrink pack with padding and slip into the box and plugs into a cable connector inside the box allow easy access and replacement of cells.


This idea would >>>

Save more space and strengthen the over all design of the kit and bike build.

Create one very short pure DC connection from the pack to the controller, would increase efficiency.

Inhibit newbies attempting to reverse engineer the pack and or controller to work with non GM products.

Make less parts needed to connect the controller to the pack, would ensure easy cleaner installation for the end user.

Make easy replacement of new controller or upgrade controller.

It is a good idea you came up with Mark, and even though I thought of something similar, you still did manage to come with the concept on your own.


Good work!


Another Idea is to module the controller into two parts.  

1: Logic
2: Fet gate and motor driver.

The new load and lock controller need only the fets and its drivers to be installed into the unit.  

The remains of the logic can stay inside the pack, or better still, become an integral part of the BMS.

The advantages.

Controller logic MCU can control LVC on the BMS.

Make replacement of failed fets a breeze and cheaper to replace controller

Make it very hard to reverse engineer the GM pack and controller.

Make it easier for GM to send a replacement, revised or upgraded Mosfet switches,  cheaper to deliver.

Allow more controller integration to the packs cells and BMS unleashing a wealth of new opportunities to innovate the technology.

Make the controller installable part smaller.

The disadvantages,

Makes it more difficult to repair or replace damaged logic circuitry.

Increase the size and weight of the pack.

Add complexities to manufacturing

Make it difficult to upgrade or revise logic design.

Impede cross compatibility with other brands products or old GM products.





I think from the average riders point of view the advantages would out weight the disadvantage.

 
« Last Edit: August 25, 2010, 05:36:16 PM by 317537 »

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Re: Installing Controller In Battery Case
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 07:09:00 PM »
Indeed Leslie, some fantastic ideas!

For the advantages and disadvantages, there could be the option for battery with integrated controller, and then normal battery without controller!

Integrated battery and controller option might also eliminate the performance issues with internal pie controllers, would it not? A battery case that's a little bigger to accommodate an (easier to replace) controller would still make the pie a very neat and tidy installation.

The controller could also have a large enough heatsink attached for cooling, Depending on power output required! And that's another thing,
maybe they will offer much better controllers for higher output requirements, and also  some kind of display on the handlebars for adjusting current and speed, while on the road!

So many things that could be done. But, neat and tidy installations are what it's all about and Leslie's idea of being able to replace the fet driver stage by Swapping some kind of box is fantastic!