GoldenMotor.com Forum

General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: PaintingLoft.com on September 08, 2008, 02:28:32 AM

Title: Bike Security
Post by: PaintingLoft.com on September 08, 2008, 02:28:32 AM: So what does everyone do to keep their bike form being ripped off? I live in a city and hear about bikes being stolen all the time. I already have a cable with a key that I use but I will be riding to work and also to the grocery stores. I am worried about going to the large grocery store where I can't keep an eye on my bike.

I have been looking up bike alarms that will sound out a loud alarm if the bike is touched but I probably won't hear it in a large store.

very interested in what everyone else is doing. good or bad ideas; lets hear it!
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: muzza.au on September 08, 2008, 04:23:55 AM: G'day Paint,

I've got my kit up and running but not perminantly mounted as yet, just being held together by electrical tape at this stage. I currently ride to the train station each day and back, mostly up hill on the way home, so thats why I've gone electric. Anyway I lock my bike up to a fence at the entrance to the station thats under cover, and they have security cameras there. I currently use two lock on my bike as a while ago I was only using one cheap one and got off the train one night and my bike was gone. Now that I've gone electric I will be investing in a third heavy duty lock. I'll also be building a cage around the battery with a padlockable hinged door, to remove it when necessay, so that I can leave it on the bike, I don't want to have to carry it with me every day.

Murray
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 09, 2008, 10:56:52 AM: Quote from: PaintingLoft.com on September 08, 2008, 02:28:32 AM

very interested in what everyone else is doing. good or bad ideas; lets hear it!

Yeah a good chain is a good idea and it may help to carry a tire iron in the basket...

READ ON.

an exerpt from my up and comming blog.

Tampering with electric bicycles or any bicycle is a rare yet a very dangerous event to the rider. Especially if the rider is a person that does not have the mechanical knowledge to detect any changes to the bike in question.

My family is currently suffering harassment from an individual that insists on publicly upstaging my wifes efforts to chain her bike up against theft and antagonises her often before and after she visits the chemist to get her prescription medicine to aid her lymphoma. At one stage I received a phone call from her in town where she complained that her wheel back wheel gearing fell off. I rode out that night with a wrench to see if I could repair the problem.

When I had arrived I noticed the rear axle was undone on both sides almost to the point the nut had fallen off. I fixed the bike and got it home. At home, In better light I observed that also the front wheel was undone and the next day after a test ride we found the handle bars undone as well.

A week later, one of the smaller electric bikes we owned was attacked with coke. The attacker poured coke into the battery compartment in an attempt to short out the electronics.

Now my young child was using the bike and we decided to call the police to report this harassment, attempted bodily harm and damage done to the bike that was attacked with coke.

I had to clean the coke out as ants were raiding my electronics. No other damage was done and nobody has been hurt yet.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 09, 2008, 11:34:57 AM: LOL my wife says a big monitor lizard sitting on the bike would scare enough people off. I could imagine taking such a pet for a ride. :P

Maybe a sign like this....

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/sign.jpg)
:D

Besides the chain its prolly a good idea to lock it up in full public view (of course) and be awear of whats around. EV jacking :| maybe a thing in the future.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: PaintingLoft.com on September 13, 2008, 08:36:50 PM: i was thinking of something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAdxNdR3P5k

this guys seems to steal the same bike in different places to see if anyone does anything about it. pretty sad commentary on society!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yydGUB88c
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 13, 2008, 08:59:14 PM: OMG.

This guy doesnt look like a bike theif. He looks like someone who lost the key to his chain. I wonder if things would of been different if he was 15 yo street trash with a bad head on his shoulders.

Errr he looks the part with that hood on, OMG someone helps him too. LOL @ "I don't mean to be a dick" Too late! Your on YOUTUBE DUDE :D...

Hmm maybe securing your bike out in full public view does Jack ship...
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: PaintingLoft.com on September 14, 2008, 05:01:48 PM: I would think that anyone walking around with bolt cutters is a thief.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: muzza.au on September 15, 2008, 08:42:54 AM: G'day all,

I've finally finished my e-bike conversion doing bits here and there in my spare time. As you can see the motor (and controller) are not GM, but the battery is. I've built a cage for it to protect it so that I don't have to take it with me. As I've said, I'll also be using 3 locks to lock up my bike also.

Muzza.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 16, 2008, 06:52:17 PM: Quote from: muzza.au on September 15, 2008, 08:42:54 AM
G'day all,

I've finally finished my e-bike conversion doing bits here and there in my spare time. As you can see the motor (and controller) are not GM, but the battery is. I've built a cage for it to protect it so that I don't have to take it with me. As I've said, I'll also be using 3 locks to lock up my bike also.

Muzza.

Muzza Muzza Muzzzzaaa

Another aussie here, great to see :D....

Here is the stand you want mate. ;)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/thestand.jpg)
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Dave on September 16, 2008, 10:19:47 PM: I use a heavy cable lock on mine, but always disconnect the power when I leave it. The connections under the bonnet aren't labeled, and not terribly clear, so I'm not sure how easily someone unfamiliar with it could get it going under its own power. Most people don't know mine is an electric bike unless I tell them, so if anyone thought they were stealing a standard bike, the weight of the thing would be a pretty good theft deterrent as well! I know I don't enjoy riding it very far without the electric assist.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: muzza.au on September 16, 2008, 11:11:04 PM: G'day Smeee,

Yes I do need a stand. Its one of the last few things I will be getting for my bike (the others being the third lock and some mud guards). Could I ask where you can get it, any old bike shop?

Muzza.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 16, 2008, 11:19:11 PM: Quote from: muzza.au on September 16, 2008, 11:11:04 PM
G'day Smeee,

Yes I do need a stand. Its one of the last few things I will be getting for my bike (the others being the third lock and some mud guards). Could I ask where you can get it, any old bike shop?

Muzza.

Yes I got mine from a bike shop. Only one out of three stocked it and the other cool bike shop owner said he can get them in if I wanted more

The next bike I build the stand will be the first thing I buy before anything. It makes the building much much more easy.

The brand name of the stand is NUVO
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: PaintingLoft.com on September 17, 2008, 03:30:27 AM: smee... lets see the rest of that bike. how do you secure your bike?
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: PaintingLoft.com on September 29, 2008, 06:51:11 PM: here is my bike project so far:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottholloway/sets/72157607540067517/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottholloway/sets/72157607540067517/)
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on September 30, 2008, 07:24:01 AM: Quote from: PaintingLoft.com on September 29, 2008, 06:51:11 PM
here is my bike project so far:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottholloway/sets/72157607540067517/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottholloway/sets/72157607540067517/)

If you want to use flicker save your files as jpegs and unless you need fine detail resize them to a max of 330px wide with a 40% compression ratio , 40% smothing as thats a bit better then VCR quality... They should be no bigger than 12kb file size. They load on all connections ultra fast in the forum pages and the pics speak for themselves.

To display them on the forum just select and highlight the URL and click (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) in the bbcode icons just above the smiley icons. If you hover over those icon it will say what they do, there are all sorts of fun stuff you can do

It should look like this when you do right.

Code: [Select]
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2893104442_88f6c4385a_s.jpg[/img]
Post a good pic of my bike soon. :o
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: 1 swift turtle on October 01, 2008, 04:23:58 PM: what iv'e done is but a cheap personal gps tracking device in the motor controller,and carry the keychain remote to activate.topten electronics
and myself are developing just such a system for sale on the market next spring.
the prjected cost 100-125 usd.you may want to look at some of the personal gps sites in the mean time....
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on October 01, 2008, 08:45:32 PM: Hey thats a great idea idea Swifty.

So how much would that set me back for 5 bikes. Im looking for something on the cheap to be honest! and you need a tracker and how much.

I think car alarms are noise polution, rude and just plain old fashon annoying when they go off for no reason.

I remember one car went off all night and every night, I wish someone would steal the forking thing.

The GPS is the best idea so far... But that doesn't stop them from stealing it. You need to be able to follow them and catch them I think the cops don't care these days unless you smoke a joint.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on October 03, 2008, 03:59:53 AM: Quote from: PaintingLoft.com on September 17, 2008, 03:30:27 AM
smee... lets see the rest of that bike. how do you secure your bike?

No problem

OK here goes.

Oh dear!

I use a cable chain :-[ :D

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/cablechain.jpg)

Sorry for the anticlimax...

My idea of chaining it in full public view was proven a bit unreliable, when you posted this comment and the vid with it.

Quote from: PaintingLoft.com on September 17, 2008, 03:30:27 AM
this guys seems to steal the same bike in different places to see if anyone does anything about it. pretty sad commentary on society!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yydGUB88c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yydGUB88c)..

I decided to employ a helping hand to keep a watch out...

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/spidey.jpg)

;D ;D ;D

See, I live in a smallish town/city and every one knows this damned tank of a bike belongs Smeee ("Les") I thought people would get to know me and the bike better if I put one of the kids soft toys in the back, one of particular populairty, Everyone saw me, the bike, the chain, and all.

Do you think some one is going to try steal it with bolt cutters if someone young lad is pointing at it and saying "look mum spidey man"

It has its advantages! Interesting approach huh?

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: nitecheck on October 10, 2008, 03:21:22 PM: Hi - a heavy duty motorcyle cable lock works for me. (short length preferred to reduce weight). The cable is good to secure the frame & rear wheel - which should be deterent enough. But if I am shopping (sometimes with a bike trailer) - I bring a good quality Large Motorcycle U lock to secure the frame & cable the trailer & wheels. Bottom line is - if a thief is prepared & has the time - there really is little that you can do to stop him/her from taking your bike. Alarms are useless someone actually cares enough to get INVOLVED - in this day & age - unless you live in a country town, I would not count on this happening.

However making the thief re-evaluate the risk & difficulty associated with the theft - determines whether you return to an empty bike rack or are unloading shopping into panniers etc. Motorcycle locks - require the lowlife to carry quality bolt cutters & have the time to "saw" through cabling & bar rods - well worth the additional weight. I have a motorcyle too ;D - so the items see double duty.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Jazzjerry on December 29, 2009, 04:10:29 PM: Bike thiefs in our country are very good......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1yImVLW_Q0
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: vapid2323 on January 16, 2010, 06:36:19 AM: I have three of these on my bike at all times, they don't even look at the bike lol just be ready to dish out some money as they cost around $100 US each

(https://www.kryptonitelock.com/images/products/999492.jpg)
14mm six-sided chain links made of 3t hardened manganese steel for ultimate strength
Durable, protective nylon cover with Hook-n-Loop fasteners to hold in place
Includes maximum security Disc Lock with 15mm MAX-Performance steel shackle
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: vapid2323 on January 16, 2010, 06:39:03 AM: Quote from: Jazzjerry on December 29, 2009, 04:10:29 PM
Bike thiefs in our country are very good......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1yImVLW_Q0

Nope, the locks that guy used are just cheap. Move to New York and we might talk
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: GM Brazil on January 16, 2010, 02:38:01 PM: I'm planning to use something likethis http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22969

But not with external battery, internal one and I'll try to hide it. It can respond to comands by sms, ofr examplo. Al the DX site there is dozens of systems like this.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Hardcore on January 16, 2010, 04:29:48 PM: those dx things, I looked at them to...
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Jazzjerry on January 16, 2010, 06:35:27 PM: I was looking at this http://cgi.ebay.com/RealTime-GSM-GPRS-GPS-Tracker-4-Pet-Child-Car-Free-Post_W0QQitemZ160393136415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGPS_Devices?hash=item25582d091f (http://cgi.ebay.com/RealTime-GSM-GPRS-GPS-Tracker-4-Pet-Child-Car-Free-Post_W0QQitemZ160393136415QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGPS_Devices?hash=item25582d091f) Tracker. Its gpas based and functions through the GSM network by sending you a sms

I think it can be used without the battery which is 3,7v Charging current is 5v What iv I were to put 5 volt on it and build it in my bike somewhere? Does anybody know if the controller supplies 5v somewhere so I can direct connect this tracker?

Hmmmmm just wondering.

Otherwise, This would seem to be an option.... http://cgi.ebay.com/48V-5V-DC-to-DC-Converter-100W-48-5-Volt-Power-Supply_W0QQitemZ300368555195QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ef5c6cbb (http://cgi.ebay.com/48V-5V-DC-to-DC-Converter-100W-48-5-Volt-Power-Supply_W0QQitemZ300368555195QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ef5c6cbb)
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: e-lmer on January 19, 2010, 12:07:07 AM: Don't those GPRS trackers require that you subscribe to a cell plan?
Neither of the two linked mention it, but since they both use
the network it seems like somebody has to pay for the data.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: GM Brazil on January 19, 2010, 06:35:38 AM: As I know, there is two options:

I CAN use a data link (GPRS) for real time tracking, so you will ned a plan in this case. Or you can use just the voice and sms function, than you can use a pre-paid plan. It will only send the location when you give an specific command by sms, and it answers by sms. My friend's unit can also auto-answer and voice call (silently) so you can hear the soroundings. You can put the device inside the battery case for example.

It is just an idea :D
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: e-lmer on January 20, 2010, 01:41:54 AM: It's a great idea.

I'm just wondering what the long term cost is going to be.
At least in the US all the carriers expire their prepaid minutes
after 30 to 90 days.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: GM Brazil on January 20, 2010, 02:51:26 AM: Yep, the same here, so I found it affordable, for a car not the bike :D

I'll try to not leave the bike anywhere, and buy an heat treated steel chain, that the theft can't cut it without a tourch and time. Much like vapid posted.
https://www.kryptonitelock.com/images/products/999492.jpg
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Hardcore on January 20, 2010, 08:38:31 AM: i got a kryptonitelock aswell, I also had another lock on my bike but that one was cut off, they tried to steel it but couldn't unlock the kryptonitelock mhuahahahha
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: MasterCATZ on April 24, 2010, 07:38:08 AM: Quote from: 317537 on September 16, 2008, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: muzza.au on September 15, 2008, 08:42:54 AM
G'day all,

I've finally finished my e-bike conversion doing bits here and there in my spare time. As you can see the motor (and controller) are not GM, but the battery is. I've built a cage for it to protect it so that I don't have to take it with me. As I've said, I'll also be using 3 locks to lock up my bike also.

Muzza.

Muzza Muzza Muzzzzaaa

Another aussie here, great to see :D....

Here is the stand you want mate. ;)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/thestand.jpg)

Please do tell me where I can get me one of those .. all of the side stands I have had in the past have been ripped of when I have taken a corner :P
And I would have my Google Phone attached somewhere so I can just use its remote GPS / Alarm to find it :P
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: Leslie on April 24, 2010, 03:20:59 PM: Well after putting 27kg of lead on my frame a leg broke a long time ago.

I fixed it by pushing handle bar ends over the stub and remaining stand leg but the weight of the bike ripped the stands support on the bike frame clean off,

The stand would of rocked with a lighter lithium battery.

I bought this stand at the local bike store. Its called a NUVO.
Title: Re: Bike Security
Post by: MasterCATZ on April 25, 2010, 12:02:03 AM: mmm so maybe I should steal one from an scraped motor bike then