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General Category => Magic Pie & Smart Pie Discussions => Topic started by: MonkeyMagic on February 18, 2011, 07:36:20 AM
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and don't worry about the monkeys comments, he's probably got bells, baskets and tassles on his bike,,, says it all ;)
Lol that still cracks me up :D
Okay so I'll commence posting up my build that seems to be taking much long than anticipated... This post I'm seeing is turning into a novel... But maybe will throw some ideas around which is good
Long story short, I keep changing my design! I have one thought in mind, and that's to build this so I don't touch it again... Like that will happen haha
So its my internal dual drive setup, and still not 100% sure if I want to add a Cyclone chain drive, I have motor clearance but with my new rear tyre I won't have many gears to use (say 3 or 4 out of 6) but may still be feasable. I'm not getting rid of the tyre lol
Okay so here is the original bike I found a pic on the net:
(http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/17/158355317_full.jpg)
I've changed near everything on the bike to parts I had, and bits and pieces off BMX's I've had over the years. This is because the bike is a 24" mountain bike suited for a smaller rider. The sole purpose of this frame was to include smaller diameter wheels and to build somewhat a 'custom' bmx
Attached here:
PIC 1: First build with 16" rear wheel, rear battery rack, front 24" wheel. NOT fun to ride (for the little time this wheel lasted before I changed to 20")
PIC 2: Changed front wheel to 20" cast, okay this was a good move....
PIC 3: Dual drive cast 20" --- too low to the ground!! Handled like the bees knees though... Sideways on rear and full dirt front wheel spin on front up wet grass hills LOL
PIC 4: Stripped frame, BIGGER tyres, new crankset, bigger crank axle, layback seatpost, better seat, all battery mounts ready
More to come.....
***Edit >> Notice the rear spring difference between pic 3 & 4 !! :P
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Measurements (after changes)
Motor Axle to Axle [length]=
1M exactly !!
Overall Length =
1590mm
Pedal to ground [height] =
140mm
Rear Spring eye to eye [length] =
220mm
Ground to rear motor axle [height] =
280mm
Ground to front motor axle [height] =
265mm
Ground to seat height =
925mm
Top bar length (standard frame) =
510mm
Middle of seat to end of top frame bar =
700mm (nearly 20cm increase with layback seatpost !!)
Handlebar overall width =
670mm
Ground to handlebar bar end height =
1070mm
Crank sprocket to ground clearance [height] =
245mm [that seems pretty good?]
Rear of seat to rear of wheel =
440mm
PIC 1: Netgear ethernet case I used (gal steel)
PIC 2: Spaghetti wiring LOL
PIC 3: Case complete
PIC 4: Where it lives
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GM battery case mod.
PIC 1 = Front of battery casing. 8 Pin accessory sockets on front for wheel and front forks, anderson connector socket and hole for 15-pin handlebar cable.
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3965;image)
PIC 2 = inside, with all the room you have in there (there is tons, if you can SMD solder you will have a goldmine lol
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3967;image)
PIC 3 = Rear of battery casing. 2 x anderson sockets, external controller output. 4 x accessory sockets (rear view camera AV, taillight, indicators brake signal, auto gear change etc.)
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3969;image)
PIC 4 = Inside of rear with room. If you mount a switch you need to do it high or low if the pins stick out the back otherwise you will have clearance issues.
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3971;image)
All holes were done with a hobby knife and small metal files. You could taper holes but you just need to be patient. Especially with the rectangle anderson connector sockets !!!
This casing had to resemble some 'professional' quality. I think I've kept that. Let's wait and see what it looks like once painted and it's all wired up.
:D
The case allows me to run an external controller (if I add the Cyclone motor) among many other accessories, but the main use is to reduce the cables from front to rear of the bike and any looping.
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Chain on....
Fought with a half link and basically 'butchered' 2 bicycle chains to fit my KMC chain...
It should hold up.
Had to add 2 freewheel washers for the tyre clearance, hence if I choose to go with my auto gear change mod I can only run say 3 of 5 or 6 gears.... I'd rather that and keep this tyre I have taken quite a liking to it
**Attached, a text file of some guff I took out of this bombardment of a topic post ;)
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Okay so I've done some work today :D
I'm going to replace the chain, as it feels like it sticks slightly, and it sooo tight I honestly think I will break it.
When I ran an allignment measure, it sits about 1 or 2mm off centre from the crank sprocket. This could lead to problems, and I can only fix it by shaving down a freewheel spacer washer to the right width, or run a derailleur which I will probably end up doing, and just running 70% of the gears.
Luckily I don't see myself pedalling much!
Cyclone motor could possibly be completely out of the question for top speed mod, as I connected a meter to my rear wheel and spun it as fast as I possibly could with the pedals - the meter hit 66V !!!
So if I decide to do it, I could do a rediculous tri-drive accelerating bike that will top out around 50km/h on 20" wheels, or design the build to switch off the phase wires inside the hubs based on wheel speed, and continue to use the Cyclone motor for top end (upto around 70km/h I'm guessing with the drag involved)
Anyway, some pics of what I did to fit this tyre in there. I'll make a video of this spinning as it seems to jerk a bit. Maybe my tyre is too heavy??
Without accurate measurements, I think possibly my rear axle dropout is not centred perfectly with me spacing it out with washers. I had to squeeze my bike frame with a vice (and some persistance from a hammer) on the one part the tyre rubbed slightly against the frame.
This made me think --- Is my wheel not true??? I thought these tyres were PERFECT?? Whats going on??? My head starts to get scratched.....
Looking VERY closely as the bead seat position of the tyre, it seems to vary slightly (nothing like a standard BMX tyre) on one side, so when spinning the wheel it does not spin perfectly straight, sort of wobbles a bit and seems out of alignment.
Watching my disc brake rotor and the top lip of the rim it seems VERY true so it points me back to the tyre....
As much as I love it, I may have to change it to the 2.5" but we will see !!!
PIC 1 = rear axle dropout, see the old vice I used to squeeze the steel on the right of the frame, you will see left is round, and on the right is flatter where I squished it :D
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3977;image)
PIC 2 = chain alignment, should hold up, but want to replace the chain
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3979;image)
PIC 3 = damage to rear torque plate. Can GUARANTEE my wheel would not have stayed on/or spun the axles without these.
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3983;image)
PIC 4 = underneath bike, horn and stand mount, space for external controller.
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3985;image)
Still will use the torque plates, they are 5mm thick steel from old shelf brackets. Works well.
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Wow Monkey! BIB BIG write up, almost as big as those tyres of yours 8)
It's currently too late for me to give this thread a proper read in detail, but your bike is definately the work of a mad man. I will have to give it my full attention in the light of day.
Saturday is an adventure for me, heading East into England to meet up with another mad man,, The Legendary "DirtyGinge". If i'm not home by tea time..... phone the Rozzers! :D
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Monkey, your build seems to be progressing very nicely, and it's good to see you've finally found the charger for your camera!
At least now we get to see some pictures again.
I connected a meter to my rear wheel and spun it as fast as I possibly could with the pedals - the meter hit 66V !!!
66V, is that all? I managed 77V with mine! :o
Check out this post (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=2012.msg9973#msg9973) regarding my concerns on the same problem.
Anyway, some pics of what I did to fit this tyre in there. I'll make a video of this spinning as it seems to jerk a bit. Maybe my tyre is too heavy??
It might just need balancing. Try sticking a lump of plasticine on the rim and then spin the wheel, then move it to another position and spin it again to see if it makes the jerking worse or better. If you are able to find the right spot, try adding or removing plasticine to see if you can improve it.
Alan
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Hey hey
YESSS I found my charger LOL
I was going to post a whole topic just about finding my charger haha
Having a big think last night, I think rather than risking anything I might hold onto my Cyclone kit and possibly do something when higher voltage internal MP's come out....
Today I'll be doing a heap more soldering and maybe working on the handlebars and accessories....
Getting there !!!
About a week off I reckon :D
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Try sticking a lump of plasticine on the rim and then spin the wheel
Alan
Thats a really good idea mate, cheers.
I was ready to goto a tyre centre to check the wheel !!!!!
I'll post my findings. Cheers
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This is some project! Glad to see pictures again. I guess you cleaned up all those bottles laying around. ;D
Gary
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Now that I have had more time to look through this thread I think I have to side with andrew. If you intend to add a cyclone motor to this bike you are crazy! :o This thing will almost fly with the two 20 inch mp's! Impressive work though!
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Changed my design AGAIN lol I have to stop thinking...
But it HAS turned out for the better. I rebuilt the split GM pack, and now have a mount I've made for under the frame. Yup thats correct, I have a dual frame mount for my dual drive :D
This retains all of the room in the middle of the bike for a custom stereo, or more batteries, or 2 x external controllers, or a peltier plate to seat 4 tasty beverages who knows!
Updates??
1. Custom camera bracket mounted under seat bolts onto existing mounts
2. Retrofitted pit bike fender (I think its a rear one??) on the front
3. Near everything is BLACK now including the GM cases I have baking in the sun
4. Removed 'quick release' seat post bolt and replaced with another bracket I made for the tail-light
5. Some other funky fenders prepared, painted and ready to pre-wire
This bike is starting to look tough !
Biggest job comes next, wiring the modded GM cases ready for plug 'n' play.... I think I'll put this off til the weekend...
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Really looking more awesome everytime I see more pictures. I love the new front fender too. What is that from? A motorcycle. I also love the camera. You are getting me thinking as well. I ride in alot of traffic in my commute. The camera would be awesome with an lcd screen on the handlebars. Is that your intention?
Gary
BTW - My son looked at the pictures with me and he wants me to build him a "Monkey bike" too!
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G'day mate
Yes, it's a fender set I found on ebay for around $20 including shipping, its not in my history anymore but the one I just found now is this link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK-PLASTIC-CRF-XR-50-CRF50-125CC-SSR-PRO-PIT-BIKES-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4aa8170e21QQitemZ320647663137QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) if you can be bothered searching for the same type you can get it for around $20 the set
Same with a car disc brake caliper cover set (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180545821673&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT) I changed my mind from using it on my car to using it on the bike lol to cover wires and other messy stuff with them. I changed the bolts (that are real on those covers) to chrome led holders, so my turn signals come from them too.
The camera I've been using since the original dual drive build (with 'sporty' low pedal height.... lol) and it works terrific!
Just at a glance I can see in both directions behind me, without swerving all over the place. Normally I can keep the bike very straight, but riding in that old build was very touchy. So the idea of this new build was too also improve the handling etc. which again has surprisingly worked out sensational. It's just good to have an idea what's behind you without the time it takes to turn ones head. Travelling at speed this is ideal.
These pics are from the old build, I have a new "housing" for this lcd that I'll post pics coming sooooon... :D
cheers
**edit > anything out of view of the camera is next to you, and you can 'feel' or see them with your peripheral vision easily
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Rear fender wired and fitted... It was a complete pain in the ass I'll tell ya!
And it supposed to be a front fender for a pit bike, but I felt it was better suited on the rear with another 'front' mtb fender protecting another quarter of the wheel.
It should keep most of the spray away should I ever get in the rain. I used liquid electrical tape first to seat the cathode tubes (out of a PC casing I found on the side of the road!) for a brake light and used a cut SMD for side turn signals.
Heres some more pics of the rear
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more installed....
My camera makes good note of bad spots lol, it looks much better in person - I'll get some pics of it outside once I get some more wiring done. :D
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And I think I'm one of very few who own limited edition black GM 48v12Ah battery with under frame mount..
I will give everyone a sneak peak hehe
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Hi MM Your bike is looking real good.I like the way you mounted you battery.Does it make bike handle better with batt down low like that?I was thinking of building a bike like yours but with mid drive set up.It looks like you got a cyclone freewheel crank on your bike.have you tried mid drive? Nice work
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Hey thanks man
I'm yet to test this with the battery mounted underneath, I've only had it on top - when I changed it from a rear bracket to mid-frame it was one of the best choices I made. So there was no consideration of running the second battery on a seatpost mount (its not possible anyway, as it's a 'layback' angled seatpost)
I'm sure it handles tops though !!
And good eyes ;) Hehe yes I am running a freewheel crank, it has the wider width and there is space for the cyclone 1200W motor sitting on a shelf at the moment... It's so tempting lol
Without this crank (or the axle width should I say) the GM battery would have clearance issues. So that was another spot of luck. Plus they look much better than the original cranks.
So I'm just about finished writing a small program for a auto-gear change derailleur, I can see myself still putting the cyclone motor on, or even the small bldc motor GM are about to release for super acceleration
I've had a couple of chain drive builds but not with brushless motors, so we will see what happens.
The cyclone 1200w still fits in 2 places, I can modify the crank sprockets (swap them) for high end speed or faster acceleration. If I do it, the cyclone will kick in at 10km/h and stop at around 60km/h which I feel is peak for the 20" wheel without ruining my controllers. If I had bigger wheels, the chain drive + hub motors would definitely not be a good idea.
The only thing stopping me is the risk of ruining both of my internal controllers after finishing this long build!!!
Hopefully I'll get the front wired up tomorrow. It's becoming very 'eye' consuming :D
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I picked this up for 100.Next project.Want to build 1000w brushless mid drive with 20" wheels.My 48v 20ah batt fits perfect on cross bar.Would be crazy 2 pies and mid drive.
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Lol I just posted the same thing in the other topic :D
Is that a steel frame? The front fork tubing looks big enough.
If you are thinking about changing the wheel size, try and find the same size wheel on a junk bike (old BMX for 20") then remove your rear shock and measure the size you need to bring your pedal height back to a safe height.
It also looks like if you kept the same wheel size, a battery would fit on a rack on the underside of the frame too....
Will be good to see what you end up doing with this :D
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Hi mm The frame is aluminum.these shocks on this bike don't have normal drop outs.forks take solid axle no threads like dirt bike.I don't know if I would trust having 20" pie on front with these forks.Would be ok for mid drive.Currentlly working on set of big steel triple clamp shocks.Cut drop outs off and made new ones out of 1/4 steel with disk brake and torque arm mounting points.Will center wheel when welding drop outs back on.I am curious to see how you like having your battery on underside of frame.The rear shock on this bike is an air shock and it is half compressed in this pic.Bike has 14" ground to crank with no tire on front.Will have to get some 20" wheels and see how it looks.That is a big rear shock you got there.What kind and how much if you don't mind me asking?do you do much offroading with your bike?Sorry to pollute your post with pic of my beast lol. Rollin
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Hey man no worries lol 'polluting' haha not at all.
Maybe this thread will spawn some modified small wheel builds, and possibly mid-drives too
The shock is a Manitou Swinger (4Way) I picked up on ebay for around $80 they are not cheap.... All of the measurements are earlier in this topic. It was a hard choice to make since the bike only cost $150 new haha
Sole reason for buying it was to increase my pedal height, but it's made the whole suspension amazing. I'll get some video happening hopefully this weekend after I finish wiring the control box
Try to stick with wheels the same size, I tried running small on the rear with bigger on front and its not fun to ride at all. In fact I stacked pretty badly with rear cast 20" and front 24", going around a corner on a trail track the front wheel lifted slightly and a moment later I shot over the handlebars. I had to sit on a bench seat like an old man for about an hour after that youch lol
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Funny I was just on e bay looking at shocks when you posted this.Things are not cheap!there are shocks on there that cost more than my gm kit!not including batt.Mid drive or Magic Pie.I have been looking at 4.25 tire rear off schwinn stingray chopper.Would look awesome with these tires front and back on your bike.Would take some major work to get them to fit but would be worth it in the end.Sorry I was day dreaming there for a second lol.crank to ground fully compressed 10 1/2" with 4" pedel to ground. 3 1/2" susp travel.rear susp has indipendent link setup that I could easily mod susp height so I think I should be good for ground clearance with 20" wheel.I don't know if you can see in pic black circle behind crank?This is where I would like to put motor.Motor runs jalckshaft/3speed hub to left side back wheel sprocket that doubles as disk brake rotor.Keeping e drive seperate from pedels.Might add to much weight.I havent even rode an e bike before and I have all these plans...I think im an e bike addict lol.I think Im thinking to much lol.Been over the bars a few times I hear you there.Not cool at all.lmao.Not at you.hehehe.Thanks for the advice.Looking forward to video.rollin
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Things are not cheap!
If you let me know what size you need I have some I could maybe sell ya pretty cheap.
I have been looking at 4.25 tire rear off schwinn stingray chopper.
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Would look awesome with these tires front and back on your bike.
Lol did you not SEE my rear tyre? ??? lucky you were dreaming haha but no. These tyres I have would still be better than those chopper ones anyday rain or shine 8)
Plus imagine how much I would have to space out the rear frame@1! lol its not a drag bike
I don't know if you can see in pic black circle behind crank?This is where I would like to put motor
You could do your left drive setup with the 500w model or maybe the 650w any bigger and you will definitely have to change the crank axle to a bigger one. If you already have your Magic Pie bike then it would be cool to build a chain drive alternative. I just love the sound of electric chain drive changing gears lol
I hope the peak currents don't start killing the GM cruise controllers though... :S
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Hi mm THank you for your offer.I think I will have enough clearance with this shock just not sure how it will perform.I have 3 1/2" susp travel .I need to find some 20" wheels.My nefew may have to donate one of his bnx bikes for science lol.Your bike could be drag bike if you run 2 pie and mid drive lol.I have cannondale with no susp that my front pie is on now, just waiting for my batt to show up which should be soon.Those 4.25 may look good but I don't think would handle to well.I will probably find something similar to your tires.I would like to get this done before summer.Im slowly collecting all the parts I need.Im pretty sure Gary said new gm bldc motors will be avalible in May sometime..Good timing.I have been looking for any info on mid drive,getting ideas.stokemonkey.you must of heard of this bike.mid drive hub motor.I like it.Thanks again for the offer MM. Rollin
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Hi Monkey,
Wow that is a really cool build you got there ;D
You are crazy, a cyclone and 2 pies. We want Monkey alive!
I love the camera, very nice touch!
That really took a lot of work and you should be very proud! :)
I am motor less now for a while at least. I said goodbye to my pie setup I need to exercise more and the weight and drag of a Pie motor and a 10 kg ping was too much, but I really had fun on it!
The goal now is light for peddling, 8 amp 44 volt Lipo 2 kgs. Nice boost for hills and those LiPos kick out serious power, over 100 amps constant from an 8 amp pack! Everyone should consider LiPo!
Anyway Monkey super build and can't wait for a video! ;D
Mark
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Anyway Monkey super build and can't wait for a video! ;D
Mark
Hey champ, cheers mate I'm still pluggin' away!
Good to see ya around bloke, I must say I had to laugh a little as I ride my ebike pretty much for the complete opposite reasons as you ;) I'm 6'2 and like 75kg I should be 85kg so I even eat riding my bike LOL
We should swap! You could say I ride my bike to get fatter ;) What's news with you?
I'll post some more pics up - my luck is halarious, after loosing my camera charger I did it again but I just charged the battery on a LiPo charger but now my usb card reader somehow doesn't read sdhc anymore only <16FAT haha so I can't post my pics up for a tad but yeah I've done a shizen load of work on it and finally stopped adding stuff I think I had the same accessory flu Gary was suffering from for a while LOL
>Edit< I will add and say that I am passing on the cyclone motor idea for a while, I can still fit it in front of the rear wheel which is probably better postioned, but I'm building a subwoofer into the middle of my frame now instead haha this is my current work. I decided since I've never had sound on my bike I'll dig around for some parts I had so I put a 2x5W mp3 player I've put in a customised handlebar dash connects a passive line level converter I made to a 35wx3 amp that powers speakers behind my dash and the sub in the middle of my frame built into the fairings I have going on there. I'll get some pics happening this post was going stale lol
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Hi Monkey,
Hey that's not fair, :'(
I used to weigh about the same about 4 years ago, eating too much crap in between meals, and drinking too much beer made me fat!!! Now the beer and crap is gone, and the occasional glass of red wine. I'm 5`8 and 102 kgs, down from 115 6 weeks ago, so hopefully I get back to around 70-75 kgs. It will take time, but so did putting it there! So it's pain up hills for a while, until I get my new kit which won't be for a few weeks anyway. So as I said, it's going to be as light as possible this time around!
A subwoofer in your frame? ::) only you monkey, only you! ;D
You are a crazy guy for sure, but at least you passed on the cyclone for now, we like to have you here a little while longer, or at least until you blow yourself up!!! ;D ;)
Mark
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I've done a shizen load of work on it and finally stopped adding stuff I think I had the same accessory flu Gary was suffering from for a while LOL
The compulsive need to add accessories is to hard to fight off sometimes. Alan suggested I add a torque arm to my CCM build so I added one, the I thought might as well add another, Then I though well why not two on the rear! :D
Earlier today I found myself surfing for one of those gps watches again. Good thing I couldnt remember what they were called.. ;)
I have also been toying with the rear view camera idea. I have one on the Van that is never used, the LCD screen is actually in the glovebox. It would be great to just view an LCD screen on the handle bars rather then looking back. I wounder how well the LCD would work in the bright sunlight. It is 12 volts though, so I guess I would need a DC to Dc converter to bring 48volts down to 12.
Gary
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hey mate
I bought an anti-glare screen protector for mine it works excellent, and I'm running it from a seperate 12v power supply so yes you might need to fit a stepdown in somewhere
I just had too many 12v accessories to use converters everywhere, it was better for me to use a seperate power supply and worry about charging it with the bike. Lol I even built a cigarette lighter into the old GM battery case where the keyswitch was, they fit in there perfect!
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Time to do a bit of shaky shaky of this post :D
No as lazy as I am, I have still been working my ass off on this bike on a near daily basis! :S
Won't bore anyone with the 'deets' but I'm getting closer to my goal.... Completion !! LOL
Here are some sneaky sneak pics of what's happening, I'll take some new pics of the completed sound system, and custom side fenders
Realised a week or so ago, that I think only 1 bolt remains original on my bike and near everything was required to be changed/modified/painted to some degree in order to fit in with the bike....
Happy so say that I have all the parts to finalise, just really not looking forward to the massive soldering and wiring job ahead.... Considering employing a casual staff member to finish the job !!!
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I'm disappointed Monkey, I was expecting "musical" air horns. ;D
Anyway, it would be interesting to know how many miles of cable you have used and how many tons the bike now weighs.
Have you managed to link the throttle to a sound generator which can produce realistic engine noises through your sound system?
I bet you've forgotten what all those buttons actually do without referring to you notes.
Keep up the good work and let's hope it's ready to hit the road soon.
Alan
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She's looking good monkey, can't wait to see it finished! ;D
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I'm disappointed Monkey, I was expecting "musical" air horns. ;D
Anyway, it would be interesting to know how many miles of cable you have used and how many tons the bike now weighs.
Have you managed to link the throttle to a sound generator which can produce realistic engine noises through your sound system?
I bet you've forgotten what all those buttons actually do without referring to you notes.
Keep up the good work and let's hope it's ready to hit the road soon.
Alan
LOL thats a classic, ok ok so I assumed I might cop a little bit of flack. I do have a pretty good selection of horns on the bike funnily enough ;)
I laugh everytime I think "this all started when I looked for a headlight" and it snowballed from there!!!
I've modified the euro police siren and wired it inside one of the pit bike plastics I used on the side. Thats what that panel is with the buttons on there. Then there is a hidden stebel magnum horn underneath the bike lol
LOTS of work going on next couple of days, I'll get some pics happening. I'm really hoping I can finish it off this weekend!
I'm working on the mid console tonight and finishing my acrylic dash tomorrow, every piece on the bike is custom!!! Or 'bespoke' as Andrew would say ;) I had to look that word up haha it must be an English thing??
Anyways stay tuned....
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Hey (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sAni_monkey3.gif)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sSig_heeheehee.gif)
You should do a world tour on that bike when you're finished! (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sSig_lol.gif)
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This guy and his emoticons! Haha
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I don't think it's good enough for any tours lol but it is a pretty different lookin bike! And remember its still just dual internal drive so it could still get some upgrades yet ;
I need to get it on the road soon I miss riding it heaps!!!!!!
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(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sSig_lol.gif)
One of these days Monkey you will go (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sFun_explosive.gif)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sSig_heeheehee.gif)
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so subwoofer and speakers in a trailer ?....www.ebikes.ca have a 50W amp :)
built in GPS ?...cmon man, the acrylic is screaming for usage :)
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Hey Monkey how bout a coffee machine while you are at it? ;D
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sheesh, gary has a built in coffee holder, and copper is not that hard to solder, you can have an on the fly dispenser .....
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sheesh, gary has a built in coffee holder, and copper is not that hard to solder, you can have an on the fly dispenser .....
Yah c'mon Monkey enough already let's see that thing built! Forget life, clear all those empty bottles off the table and let go! You have an ebike to build!
Gary
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hahaha The little (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sAni_monkey.gif) is busy installing coffee machine and Nuclear reactor!
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so subwoofer and speakers in a trailer ?....www.ebikes.ca have a 50W amp :)
built in GPS ?...cmon man, the acrylic is screaming for usage :)
There is a Logitech subwoofer built into the mid frame, the 4 speakers from the satellites built into a wooden box inside the headlight cowling. Then there is 2 x 2.5" in the acrylic console and 2 x 3" hidden full range inside the side fairings lol 8.1 stereo 55hz to 17K sound!!!
And I have been eying off a Garmin Edge 800.....
hahaha The little (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sAni_monkey.gif) is busy installing coffee machine and Nuclear reactor!
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Haha Mark you made me consider what it would take to built a post mix dispenser - 2 solenoids, soda water on peltier cooler, bourbon mixed with cola syrup can dispense from inside the box under the seat!!!! nahhh thats a bit OTT
I've finished the console last night, and wiring the handlebar gear today.
I have 3 more sets of wiring to do then I'm cooking!!!!!!!!!!! wooooooooooo
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I remember many years ago a friend of mine that liked whisky and coke put a little invention in his car. He added a second winshied washer tank and washer pump. From that he ran a tube from the washer pump to a convenient spot under the dash and added a button. Then he added wiskey into the new tank. After stopping at the local store and picking up a can of coke he could open it drink out a bit, then hold it under the dash push a button and voila a whisky and coke for the road.
Does this give you any ideas MM?
Gary
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HAHA Monkey,
You are one crazy guy! ;D
Can't wait to see it finished, you should make a movie for us too!
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Ok so I got a heap done over the weekend... These pics look a bit bodgey with the dust thats gathered and pieces missing from the dashboard I thought I'd post them up if anyone gets any ideas from them then cool...
These panels were from a disc brake cover set I got for around $15 that cover the speed sensor and front pie harness on the front forks, I built in turn signals for each side and RGB LED's that point to the wheel while I was at it lol
The other shapey panels are from the pit bike plastics set I got for about $20 that I modified to fit both front + back, protects the underside of the bottom battery and each side panel has some accessories built into it.
The right panel has a euro police siren circuit with a bunch of sirens etc, being a black bike I always have people cutting me off and ill attempts to make me crash!!! I've got a full on story I think for every single piece on the bike - everything was based on a CHEAP budget or made from stuff I had lying around that matched the bike, I'm becoming amazed myself at how this thing has got together!@!!
Left panel has a 2x5W amp that powers the console speakers, the volume control is external and has a couple of lighting switches built into the side
Oh and the bigger piece is the acrylic dash with a mp3 player and a 4x20 character screen I've written a basic program that monitors my 3 batteries (2 wheel, 1 accessory). Pretty much every project I try and put a character LCD that I have tons of, even if its for little to no reason!!! But it will be cool to view the battery voltages together.
Enough rant, ok a little more LOL I'm gunna work on the rear PWM brake tonight I need to sort out this rear disc brake mount, it just had caliper brakes stock but I'm using smaller wheels so this is my best option. So the rear mechanical brake is controlled by 3 levels of braking, I'm using this super strong pull solenoid that I'm running through a tiny brush motor controller and it works amazingly!!!
With the solenoid activated I cannot pull out the plunger at all with 1 hand I have no idea what the pull strength is but it has around 20mm travel. I'll get some pics happening of this tonight too, basically the solenoid pulls the brake wire at 3 levels, low, med and full lock its my own little thing I came up with 'monkeying' around haha
I'll explain more how it works and how its activated with pics, the solenoid chomps around 3A @ 12v full strength:O
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And some moray
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Nice job on the speed sensor monkey!
All those wires man, I'd go crazy! ;D
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cheers man, its meant for a motorcycle mount is why its so big, it uses a hall sensor the digital odometer bolts on a headset mount I made. lol I'm gunna be taking lots of pics I think so I can explain myself better
As for the wires, yup it looks a bit spaghettied when its raw, but then I solder it all up, put plugs or wire covering where I need and it usually goes from a jillion wires to just a few...
Like the siren I built into the right panel, here its finished with the boards glued and siliconed onto the panel and all those wires went down to 4.... 12v+, 12v-, speaker + and speaker - the rest go to the switches or accessory built onto the panel
The whole bike I have wired so its plugged in 3 sections from the middle. Rear wiring, frame, then the handlebar is seperate. So if I ever bust this frame I can make a quick modification to a similar type and swap all this crap over. Touch wood that never happens (searches for wood but all I can find is metal and plastic lol)
And everything bolts together or hideen cable ties one way or another on rubber mounts I make from old shoes or like in the speedo picture was a cut strap of a handbag my mother was going to throw out!!! haha
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Update time Monkey lol.
How's your evening going?
Is that spaceBike nearly finished yet? ;D
I can't get out on mine the last few days, the weather is complete crap!
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I been out on mine, weather is still crap.....get some waterproofs my man :)
Mac has no problem with the rain ;)
regards
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Hi Ginge
yeah I have the waterproofs, but I don't have the motivation to go out in this crap weather. Summer me arse! We had the coldest May ever recorded I heard the met.ie say. LOL global warming??? and being taxed to hell on carbon emissions with fuel tax, drives me crazy every time I fill up the car, it makes me crazier thinking of how cold the winter is going to get, and I go nutz thinking about the low sunspots still and scientists are saying if cycle 35 doesn't kick in soon we could be in for 100 years or so of very cold times like the mini ice age back in the 1650-1750's Crazy!
And the global warming nuts keep saying it's getting warmer and even the cold is because of the warming. I wish someone would throw them all into the artic!
I think E-Biking this summer will be a lot less than last year!
By the way Ginge did you swap that stator yet for god sake LOL I am interested in your results with it!
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Update time Monkey lol.
How's your evening going?
Is that spaceBike nearly finished yet? ;D
I can't get out on mine the last few days, the weather is complete crap!
Haha its FRIDAY!! woooooooooooo but weather is piss poor.... Boooo
Very little has happened through the week, I've finished the front and rear plastics and just got a few mods on the side panels then its another step closer... Its so friggin cold!!!!!!!
I have 3 main points to complete:
1. Front wiring (dashboard, controls, audio)
2. Battery box wiring (customised GM battery casing with plug & play wheel inputs/outputs)
3. Rear disc brake caliper mount. Really not sure what I'm doing here but I think it's going to be bolt mounted until a mate can weld something for me
My rear PWM electric mechanic disc brake is working awesome!!!! I've made it so its a low setting, medium, and full lock via pushbuttons. I was sceptical at first, but it sure is faster than I can ever pull a brake lever!!
Oh - and on the topic of crap weather I should note that every single part on the bike has been weather sealed wether it's clear coat on the paint, machine oil sprayed through the inside of the frame to prevent rust, and every single exposed electric connection either glue sealed, or sealed with liquid electrical tape!!
You need some serious ventilation with this liquid electric tape!!!! corrrrr blimey !
This thing is scrubbing up quite nicely, although its not everyones cup of tea if anyone tall rode this would be amazed at the ridability and riding position its worked out great
Not going out this weekend so writing this hopefully gives me the motive to finish this thing
I'm just so glad I ran out of practical ideas for add ons haha
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I'm just so glad I ran out of practical ideas for add ons haha
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(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa336/o00scorpion00o/sAni_monkey3.gif) Ran out of Ideas ???
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I've been rebuilding this since Feb??? Good lord... Lol lucky I have other things to ride haha
I did promise myself I'd take my time with it. Anyways, it's all coming along very nicely. I thought I'd blow the dust of this topic post and post up some recent pics.
Just finishing the middle wiring, then I complete the top battery box...... and yeeehaw!! I'm back with dual drive and a pretty unique looking bike
Here are a few pics I've taken over the past many weeks. I work full time and have been travelling a fair bit so I really only have worked on it sparingly however, many hours have been consumed getting this together smoothly !!!
Preparing Handlebar wiring, prepared so I can simply remove the handlebar from the headstem should I ever change frames. The whole bike can be swapped to another frame pretty easily...
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Prepare mounts etc. + wiring
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Prepare dashboard
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Prepare throttle switch, adjustable electric brake etc.
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Measure placement, outputs etc.
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Complete.....
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Painted + sealed where possible (Dashboard also has plastic cover [showercap lol] for rain)
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Currently wiring the console, and fuse breakers etc.
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Subwoofer and main amp mounted, 12v LiPo batteries mounted (Accessories battery) hidden behind side panels part of console
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Acrylic console, bandpass speakers, 12v battery level, LiPo temperature guage (just in case lol) 10AWG wire prepared for Front motor power
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Rear electric brake actuator box completed, tailights, rear mudguard mount etc. completed. Rear to middle wiring completed
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So I just have a few more tasks, then I'll release the completed photos :) Its nothing as I expected!!! Lol but I really like how its looking now yeehaw
The top battery box still needs to go on there, I've pre-tested all of the functions already. If I have any advice for this build, is to always test and check all connections. Thankfully, I've sorted out any problems as I've mounted them to eliminate pulling it apart once its done.
Tested everything but my throttle switch function.... Fingers crossed !!!!!!
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So, you've finally found the XD adapter for your camera, or more likely just bought another one. ;)
The project appears to be progressing well at the moment, but what happens when you come up with something else that you decide to incorporate into the build? I'm concerned it could end up like some of my over ambitious projects, which never actually get finished!! ::)
Have you managed to weigh it yet? Because I'm still curious as to exactly how much extra weight you have managed to load onto it. :D
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to seeing a video of the completed "Monkey Bike" in action. ;D
Alan
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that is the craziest contraption I've ever seen!! :D
There are three things missing from these photos,, a white jacket with straps, padded cell, ...... and some colourful tassles ;)
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So, you've finally found the XD adapter for your camera, or more likely just bought another one. ;)
These were on my Blackberry haha, but I found the XD adapter last night!! Did you know they don't even sell that adapter in shops?? You can only get it from Olympus or Ebay.... Never buying Olympus again lol
Have you managed to weigh it yet? Because I'm still curious as to exactly how much extra weight you have managed to load onto it. :D
Have not had a chance to weigh it.. But I assume no more than 4 to 5KG there is nothing really heavy on there.
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to seeing a video of the completed "Monkey Bike" in action. ;D
Alan
Hey thanks !!! Me too.... I have a DVR and 3 cameras mounted on the bike so surely I will have some videos happening soon!
Finished the middle wiring last night, I'm working on the battery case tonight and then guess what...... I'm done!!!!!!!!
I must say I need to make a video with my camcorder to capture what it looks like at night, and the amazing sound that comes from the sound system! I am truly a proud Monkey that all is working.
Still need to weld on a disc brake activator mount, so I am leaving the PWM brake until last. I will make do with regen and front brake for now.
that is the craziest contraption I've ever seen!! :D
There are three things missing from these photos,, a white jacket with straps, padded cell, ...... and some colourful tassles ;)
Lolll its not that crazy!!! And I was going to ask you what color tassles you think I should get since you are the expert hehe. That's all I really have room for lol
But I have built the bike so its ready should I want to change to MP3 wheel, or use External controllers etc. Both of the GM batteries have the slide tray bolted onto the frame, so I can change this pretty easily. As future proof as it is, I think I'll be leaving it AS IS - perhaps only changing the internal controllers to the new ones if they are decent enough.
I'm pumped to get this happening now ~!!
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Hey Monkey,
Looking good, bout time you got it on the road eah? :P
Looking forward to seeing the videos,
By the way are you running the internal controllers and GM batteries? I forget tat this stage! ;D
But well done, really cool looking Monkey machine! ;D
Mark
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Howdy
Hey yeah when I bought the front wheel, I paid for another controller and only the rear controller has ever failed on me once. Both of the controllers are mx-318 I think from memory, I think the 1 before the current version. Anyways they are great on this size wheel !!
There is 2 x 5Ah Turnigy(3s2p) batteries strapped either side of the frame for the accessory batteries haha I should have made a switch to make it series and diverted to the front wheel for emergency 24v power!! Lol nahhh
I found this video of some hills, so I uploaded it on Youtube. I know they are not massive hills but it is still a good demonstration of how it performs I guess.
It was when I was running this build from memory: (single GM battery)
(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2932.0;attach=3954;image)
You needed to be very careful of potholes with the old pedal height!!
Youtube Video Link 2:47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlWEYpQt8L4)
The camera I was using there was just one of those keychain cameras, I have a 2ch dvr to record action on the new build now so I should have some better videos soon running the 2 batteries. Not sure how long the oldest one will last now I am not using the BMS..... But its really easy to swap over, or change to whatever so I'm not fussed.
I'll finish it this weekend I guess, no time really tonight I have a pretty bad case of cbf... ;)
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So close........ Its all coming together!!
I think I'll tell what's happened the last few nights another time, its funny but long story short I have only a small amount of tinkering the suspense is killing me :D
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I'll get the camcorder out once I get it moving, I need to sort out a part of the throttle circuit. I made an adjustable throttle circuit, that goes to a little box for switching the front / rear throttle signal on/off. Anyways I didn't test that part out until now haha just my luck it doesnt work
So I gave up, to be continued tomorrow!!! Its good, everyone seems to be in a building mood lately, I surely am getting a heap done
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Just so I could sleep, I tested both wheels again quickly using another wiring harness. Both of my wheels don't beep anymore?? Thats weird. They both go, but no beep.... guh??
Its pretty flashy though :D
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I think once I saw it coming together more and more I'm so eager to finish it now. I need to weigh it, it is seriously heavy but it has 2 batteries and cast wheels on a steel frame!!!
There is about 3kg of extra crap other than the batteries. But even with 1 battery, no fairings and 2 cast wheels it was super heavy then. Cant really do much once you add another battery.
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Lets wait and see if I get an extra km or 2 from the tyre size difference haha or lose 5 kg from magnetic field interference from the subwoofer lol
Should be sunny tomorrow, hopefully I can get this done and make a video for more detail
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It is fairly rediculous that is has gone from this:
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To what is is now..... I'm glad its nearly over :D :D
Spot the difference?? lol
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So, around 90 pounds?
Looks incredible.
Does the battery get in the way of your legs there?
Did you think about mounting it on it's side?
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So, around 90 pounds?
Looks incredible.
Does the battery get in the way of your legs there?
Did you think about mounting it on it's side?
Hey thanks alot, I reckon you are near spot on with 90 pounds (~40kg), I really am not sure if I can lift it and step on the scales will have to figure out another way lol
Before I changed the crank axle, the top battery was noticable when you pedal. After I changed the crank axle to I think 200mm now its perfect and doesnt feel like I was riding a pencil anymore. In actual fact, its really useful to 'hug' with your legs to corner. I have a few switches and a Turnigy plugs into a USB socket on top of the battery casing too where the keyswitch lock pin hole used to be.
I guess also keeping it mounted horizontal, you can bolt it up much easier. My GM rear battery rack did not fit so I cut it and bolted it to the inner frame to mount the battery on top. Plus I would not have clearance of the seat mounted sideways on top, you would need to bolt through the aluminum casing somehow with the batteries in there...
If you think about it, the battery casings are 145mm wide, so they are not too bad as long as your legs arn't especially close together :D
Cheers :)
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Hey monkey, well done, complete at last!
It was worth the effort, it looks fantastic! ;D
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I really am not sure if I can lift it and step on the scales will have to figure out another way lol
Here's a very easy solution Monkey: simply weigh one wheel at a time on the scales, and then combine the two readings!
Alan
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I agree. Super build.
Can't wait for video.
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Hey thanks heaps for the comments and tips guys.
I'll have to try and weigh one wheel at a time, I didn't think that would work! Awesome....
I believe I've located the throttle problem, it might even be the hall sensor inside the casing. I made each wheel work by removing the throttle switch box and connecting a 1K resistor from the front wheel 5v to each of the wheels throttle signal inputs. Both jerked and chirped my new rubber on the garage floor giving me that 'ohhhh so close now' feeling :D
I'll tell my story from the other night. Before I found the throttle problem, I was wiring all of the thick gauge power cabling for the front wheel.
I have ground connected from the wheel looms for the signal purposes. Anyway what felt like tense hours of soldering the thick guage cable, I tested continuity between the connections. Positive... beeeeep no worries, Ground...... No beep...... How could there be a break in 10awg cable???? I traced it down to the GM battery cable connector, I soldered way to high above the connector to remove it myself but the GND was not crimped/soldered inside the connector!!!!! I found this when the ground lead pulled out with ease from about 20cm of lead
Imagine, if I had not tested that continuity, and just wanted to go for a ride - I would have had a clean connection for Positive 48v battery, but the Ground would have been pulling through the GM wiring harness!!!!
I would have ridden with crappy power for god knows how long before I would have smoked the whole loom....
So lucky, that would not have been cool at all! :D
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Hey guys
Down to the nitty gritty of my problem..... I found that by removing what I believe is the ground connection to the throttle hall sensor, applying 5v to the power, I get the same output from the signal
So I think I've damaged it somehow. Has anyone got any tips of what I have done wrong? I cannot seem to get any fluctuation even using magnets over the throttle
I'm just about to pull it apart which I think it needs.. But could I just use a 4v battery and test a hall sensor from a twist throttle I have? I think I can swap the hall sensor from the twist throttle into my custom thumb one.
I don't want to swap this thumb throttle out because it has the volume controls, kill switch and headlight switch all in the 1 unit!! I thought it was awesome but alas just the throttle part doesnt work, everything is fine :(
Also - I have found that my controllers do not beep when the throttle signal is not connected, but when I press the cruise button twice it beeps!! I assume enabling PAS.... Weird....At least I know the cruise control will work :)
Anyway I have isolated each throttle signal, I know that both wheels work by using a 1K resistor from the front wheel 5v signal. I assume that the twist throttle works similar to the thumb one, would my best bet to just swap the hall sensor from the twist to the thumb casing??
Any tips would be great :D cheers
Edit: >> Hey does it matter the orientation of the throttle hall sensor inside the casing?
I found that all the connections were correct however, I had a 'flashback' of when I was assembling the throttle, 1 of the pins of the hall sensor broke so I soldered right on the hall sensor. I probably overheated it with the soldering iron...... That's all I can put it down to.
Anyways, I have a new hall sensor wired in there, but not 100% if it works just yet.... Fingers crossed !!!!
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It was the hall sensor..... I had to come and post here in my excitement haha I'm very happy I did not have to change the throttle completely! :D
So everything is getting put back together :D I think I'll make up some wire covers with some cutoff of the acrylic if there is enough. Here is a closeup of the throttle, I should have taken pics of the inside I neatened it up a ton in there
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/bytmeh/Throttle%20problem/IMG-20111009-00080.jpg)
I kept 1 led window in the middle for the headlight switch to acknowledge power is there before the relay.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/bytmeh/Throttle%20problem/Throttlecasing.jpg)
Finding the wires was so easy, I rewired the throttle completely with new wires, and just have to reconnect them back and I'm set!! :D wooo
Probably the best thing I did throughout the build was prepare my wiring, I always had a habit of forgetting cables then having to add them later on making everything less organised. Since I started wiring it up, I've kept an excel spreadsheet of all the wiring connections. All of the main cables are labled and its a sinch to find or add anything I need to now! Made it so easy to connect everything together.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/bytmeh/Throttle%20problem/wiring.jpg)
I think Monkey might even sneak in a test ride tonight!!!! I'm pumped :D :D
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Okayyy update time :D
Well after such a long time of wondering if this thing would actually go, it was time for a test !
The very first thing I noticed, was the power compared to what it used to be like - it's now extremely touchy on the throttle. I took it for a couple of laps around a few blocks near my house.
So from the complete build here is what has not worked in the end:
-My speedo not working!! Lol hopefully its just the sensor too far away from the magnet
-Regen not working? I'm near certain I tested the switch before I connected but alas, no regen...
-Front brake definitely needs to changed, I'm looking at hydraulic kits now lol
-The chain was so tight it spun off the freewheel!! First I thought I broke it, but now I have to take the rear wheel off again!! So I am buying a 5spd freewheel and putting a derailleur on there to fix this
-It is LOUD, double what it used to sound like.... There are a few foreign things on the bike that could be causing this sound to amplify, I'll make a recording once I get another freewheel on there! haha
Coming off a footpath onto a road at speed, I think the front suspension is bottoming out so I'll see how that goes. It must be the extra weight on the handle bars
I think I'll leave the rear spring at minimum setting, it feels awesome to ride but just maybe a tad bit high but that's because I'm not really used to riding so high I think :)
Overall, none of the parts get in the way and for the small amount thats not working I'm pretty stoked! It is really awesome to ride, but scary without adequate brakes.
Does anyone have any tips for a front hydraulic kit and cheapish?? I assume I just need to remove my caliper and brake lever, and the hydraulic kit is all connected together?
Cheers
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Wooo another update time
I've taken some night videos in my initial tests, here are some recent uploads:
Video 2 -->> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLrnpHIFW70&feature=relmfu)
(Gauging my voltage drop of the top battery, testing some functions)
These videos were taken in PITCH BLACK about 2am at night lol - the video quality although grainy is still incredible under such low light conditions!!! I have not even tried it in full night mode (B&W) yet, but pretty good results so far
1:56 - 2:11, I tested pedalling this bahemoth - my chain is both loose and I believe a bit out of alignment. You can hear my crank creaking under load. Can pedal around 15km/h with ease, probably not so easy uphill but still manageable. I was surprised at how easy this was considering the weight I am moving.
2:54 - I tested the car horn lol its awesome!!!! Airzound eat your heart out haha
Video 3 -->> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoxE-9CZ_4&feature=relmfu)
1:34 incremental speed increase - hear the wrath of my dual drive alerting people as I ride lol
3:20 I turned on the stereo (radio) it has some interferance from the DVR system, and also the microphone was turned up a bit too high yielding distortion. Quality is still somewhat noticable, you really need to hear it in person. Also - I am pretty proud of the microphone location, without little to no wind noise what so ever.
Notice throughout the videos, although the sound is very sensitive - there is not any wind distortion!! Woohooz
So last night I went out again, tires at proper PSI. I took my Garmin Dakota 20 with me and MAX speed is 39.0KM/h so it is actually 1km/h SLOWER now with 2 batteries and a bike full of accessories lol
Even the new tires weigh 4 to 6 times more than what I had on there originally.
I am not sure of my overall range as I am in need of repairing the top battery with some more faulty cells evident. I'll try and fix it first before most likely splashing out on a new 48v10Ah battery type.
As the front forks are stock - they will need to be replaced sometime real soon.
To ride this bike safely, and comfortably without wanting to complain I will need the following:
1. New battery to replace the top one
2. Front forks (probably Manitou or something)
3. Add a derailleur or fix the alignment of the chain so there is no noise/stress
4. Front + rear hydrualic brakes a must !!! I am barely stopping with 203mm rotor on front mechanical + regen I still had to put my foot down at times to completely stop this mammoth!!!
5. Need a stand to cope with all of this haha
With the tires now at the correct pressure, the ride is amazing - you just want to fix the above and it will be a fantastic bike with centralised weight, handling and the extra accessories make it even more fun to ride
Pretty pleased considering the above so far. I have the bike charging now, hoping to get some daytime video later on tonight.
Maybe take it back off road tomorrow, and try and fix this battery before working out what I'll do with the rest.
Monkey out !
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Looks like a blast Monkey! How about a "walk around" video of your bike and all the featrues.
Gary
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Looks like a blast Monkey! How about a "walk around" video of your bike and all the featrues.
Gary
Hey thanks - and good idea, I have my video camera pretty well sorted so I'll get around to doing that soon ;)
I've been meaning to redo this PC and I'm well overdue for a new one, but I want to edit my videos so they are somewhat decent looking rather than bland plain uploads. What software do you use for your GM Canada vids?
Disappointed about the battery, and more so about the need for new front forks and hydraulic brakes that's another $1000 more all less all up! Would be better than a store bought setup anyways, plus I need the rest of the frame steel
I also still have not tested my "defensive" water jet that squirts out the handlebar lol so that will be good to include in the video
I'll get that walkaround and some daytime video while I source some parts.... :D
Cheers
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I just went all through this thread again and it really is an amazing thing you have built here! When I showed my son were counting the screens looking at the cameras the lights etc. When I showed him the defensive squirting handle bars he couldn't believe it.
I think you need more then a "walk around" video. I think you need a "building of" video showing all your pictures and a narated soundtrack with a spokes person describing the build and the final results. Hows your Morgan Freeman imitation :)
Gary
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I just went all through this thread again and it really is an amazing thing you have built here! When I showed my son were counting the screens looking at the cameras the lights etc. When I showed him the defensive squirting handle bars he couldn't believe it.
I think you need more then a "walk around" video. I think you need a "building of" video showing all your pictures and a narated soundtrack with a spokes person describing the build and the final results. Hows your Morgan Freeman imitation :)
Gary
Hey thanks heaps Gary! Very pleased you took the time to read through the post, I'm impressed you understand the effort I've put in to the build. Great feedback !
Tomorrow apparently is fantastic weather, so I will be sure to take some video. I think I'll start with your suggestion, and make a 'build' video including what steps I took, and how I completed the design etc. I'll have to hunt around for a video editor that can automate alot of it for me based on the timestamps of the photos.
Then I'll do a walk around. It is awesome to ride, but maybe I'm a perfectionist but I will not be 100% satisfied until I replace the front forks and get a new battery to replace the faulty one.
Lol Morgan Freeman.... Haha I'll see how I go :D
Thanks again, great to see you understand the work I've done!!! Cheers
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Is this ebike still in use?
What's the latest?
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Yeah mate, we could use a heads up ;)
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I am thinking about getting a 20" wheel for the front (the new Vector MP4). I'm curious about the proper dish--the Chinese seem to be ignorant of properly centering the rim between the frame stays of the hub on the lace-up wheels. Obviously this malady can be corrected by flipping the spoke heads around but with a molded wheel you get what it is....
So, how is the front wheel?
Thnx
G
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If they followed my advice (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1430.msg8724#msg8724) (which they said they were going to do) the 20" front wheel should be centred correctly, but I haven't tried one to find out exactly how well the centring of the 20" cast rim turned out. I don't know whether the 16" rim was changed or whether the offset is still as far out as the original.
Alan
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Yeah...I don't want to waste my money on a wheel that isn't centered. In the front this is extremely important.
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I have just been looking at the solidworks drawing of the 20" MPII and the rim does appear to be nicely centred on the axle:
(http://www.arhservices.co.uk/GoldenMotor/MPII20inchfrontwheel_zpsed24d86f.JPG)
So hopefully the MPIII (and MP4) are correctly centred too.
Alan