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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: scott on January 16, 2010, 12:26:50 AM
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Can I mount a GM 48V12AH, “sideways” key pointing down? Will it take the stress?
Currently I am running with ,qty1, 48V12AH.I would like to set up with 3 of these. Two on the cross bar ,one the rack(unless someone can suggest a different configuration).
Setting up batteries on the cross bar has some obvious problem (are my knees going to hit the batteries when I pedal?).
.Eye balling before modification ,I think the keys will be the only problem.?
P.S. I have one battery now, I’m picking up one more on Sunday (from Gary Salo ``GM Canada ``the best company rep on the plant earth).It will happen, I am resolved.
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P.S. I have one battery now, I’m picking up one more on Sunday (from Gary Salo ``GM Canada ``the best company rep on the plant earth).It will happen, I am resolved.
Thanks for that Scott,
I was thinking you should try wrapping them in cloth and duct taping them in various orientations and going for brief rides to see what the best fit could be for you before doing a more permanent mount.
Looks like one on top and one under the bar on their sides would be the best fit. Theres also front racks and baskets to consider. I usually put my second battery in a backpack. I find the rack is solid with one battery but wobbly with two.
Gary
PS Looks like above zero on sunday, 4 degrees in Mississauga. Bring your bike lets go for a ride! I think I can put together a 4 bike ride. We could shoot a video, You could become famous ;D
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I hate the idea of the front carrier . Duct tap ,,,hate it .But if that what needs to be done .
P.S. I have told my girl friend that all the money has gone to "strip joint girls and beer". If she finds out the truth ,It will be a week of grief!
Scott
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G'day Scotty,
I think you might be able to fit them into the frame triangle. The GM website says the batteries are 149mm wide which I think is just norrow enough to avoid the pedals. I have a converted toolbox with my 2nd battery in that area and my peddles just miss hitting it. See below for a concept picture of how you might mount the batteries. I hope they fit like that as I just did a copy and paste of the battery on your rack.
Muzza.au
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I hate the idea of the front carrier . Duct tap ,,,hate it .But if that what needs to be done .
The duct tape suggestion is just to find a position that works for you before you attempt a more permanent solution.
P.S. I have told my girl friend that all the money has gone to "strip joint girls and beer". If she finds out the truth ,It will be a week of grief!
Scott
Quick thinking on your part there! :D
Gary
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if I may ask, why do you want 3 batteries? range, or something else?
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if I may ask, why do you want 3 batteries? range, or something else?
I’m currently running GM 48v 12 AH Lithium Iron Battery Pack .I’m looking to increase my range .
Any suggestions?
I live in Canada.It would be nice not to have to order from China.
Thanks Scott
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tnx for the reply, but at 48v I can get 40km/h average, on full throttle and I can get about 30km on full throttle so it would be 90km range, this means you gotta ride more than 2 hours, my next question is,
What trip do you make, Km?
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I live near the Grand River in Brantford Ontario. The biking trail system is extensive and travels threw multiple small towns. On the weekends I take off in the mornings and travel either north or south .Unfortunately because the system run north and south only, to add new destinations I have to add rang .Currently at 30 KMH with pedaling I get about 55KM. I’d like to have a rang of closer 150KM.This would allow an all day adventure.
Thanks Scott
P.S. I like to stop in at each town for a beer and my capacity for beer has out stripped my 55 KM rang.
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if I may ask, why do you want 3 batteries? range, or something else?
I had to look closer at the picture. He means concept. He doctored the picture to look like he has three batteries there.
Yeah more range and longer life span of batteries would be awesome.
If they were connected in parallel they would push a mighty powerful motor too.
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Like Muzza has suggested I would definitely put any extra packs into the triangle. Too much weight in the back including motor makes for bad balance.
To add I would put one on the top cross bar on the triangle and one on the bottom in order to distribut the weight evenly across the turn sway pivot cenre of gravity. Too much weight too low behaves like an anchor and makes for sluggish leaning into turns. And too much too high make the bike top heavy and puts too much weight via leverage onto the typical bike stand.
I estimate one pack on each triangle bar would help to at least make the bike feel very similar to a normal bike.
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different configuration).
(are my knees going to hit the batteries when I pedal?).
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/soulelectronique/22kglead.jpg)
When I was using 36v. No knees ever hit with this setup.
For one extra pack I would put them on the top bar near the seat post tube between my legs.
Something to consider anyway.
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Ohhh!
Edit.
Another way
Position the battery so the key faces down or up not out to the side.
For two batteries. you could have them face down side by side along the top bar. This is only going to be less than 10mm wider than my SLA's.
My current bike has a lower cross bar than yours, almost like a girls bike. My SLA's have to fit just in between the pedals. They hang down over 170mm from the top bar.
The bike in the above pic had the batteries clear the pedals acceptably.
You may be able to fit them in side by side between your legs.. It depends on how long your frame is and the aspect of the triangle.
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Second battery .
[Bolted ¼ inch hard board to the cross bar and used bungee cords to secure it. A little leg rub when peddling. I need to cut down the width of the hard board.
Balance is fantastic! I am surprised at the handling. The bike feels more secure and seems to handle a lot like a normal bike.
Three is going to be tough.
Good Day
Scott
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Hey Scott
I know you always said you hate the front rack idea. But I was looking at my bike and the rak-001 and thought "hey that would fit on my bike pretty good". Here is the result, I have to clean up the wire and wash the bike. But you get the Idea...
Gary
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Just went on a ride . Max-ed out both batteries. 56.7 km .Brantford to Burford and back ,Can’t wait for summer!
Second battery died with in sight of home . YA BA DA BA DO !!!
Two is the minimum.
Happy Days !
Scott
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My newest configuration on my bike..
Two 24v 250w motors (front minimotor on 24" tire) / (rear motor on 20" tire).
Front motor running off of 36v 15ah and the rear motor running off of a 36v 30ah setup.
Last weekend I did a full power / range test on mine.
did 20mph/33kph and got 42m/70km.
Today I did a medium power test
did 18mph/30kph and got 54m/90km.
Both of those were just at .5ah before cutoff.
Tomorrow I'm going to do a constant 16mph/26.5kph and see what kind of range I can get.
P.S. My top speed is 23.4mph/39kph but the max distance I get off of that speed is only 37m/61km.
:)
Any clue what difference it would make if I changed either or both of the motors to 36v 250w or 36v 500w?
Would my distance or speed suffer or get better?
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I have not tried to evaluate velocity vs distance.
I only have 48V.
I love the idea of driving both wheels.
My top speed today (going down hil)l was 52 kmh
That is faster than I EVER Want TO GO!!
I have two bikes.
I ride the slow one.
This one’s speedometer starts screwing up around 75 kmh.
Good day
Scott
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I have not tried to evaluate velocity vs distance.
I only have 48V.
I love the idea of driving both wheels.
My top speed today (going down hil)l was 52 kmh
That is faster than I EVER Want TO GO!!
I have two bikes.
I ride the slow one.
This one’s speedometer starts screwing up around 75 kmh.
Good day
Scott
I didn't look the last time I went down a long hill (by floridas standards) all I know is that when I looked at the max speed I ever got it to go was just a hair over 36mph/60kph.
And you're correct, anything over 25mph/40kph is just too damn fast for a bicycle.. If you want to go faster than that, you might as well just buy a moped or motorcycle.
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hey, I get 40km/h max on my Magic Pie on normal roads but want to go 45km/h just like the legal standard for scooters.
so they aren't faster then I and I won't sertainly be slower than them.
I hope my english grammer is right ;D
I am waiting for the Magic Pie II to come out so I can connect my 48v gm battery with a 24v gm battery to get 72 volts and I am going to build switches so I can switch between 24v 48v and 72v ;D wouldn't that be great?
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hey, I get 40km/h max on my Magic Pie on normal roads but want to go 45km/h just like the legal standard for scooters.
so they aren't faster then I and I won't sertainly be slower than them.
I hope my english grammer is right ;D
I am waiting for the Magic Pie II to come out so I can connect my 48v gm battery with a 24v gm battery to get 72 volts and I am going to build switches so I can switch between 24v 48v and 72v ;D wouldn't that be great?
You will get INCREDIBLE range, that way.... what are the AH's of the batteries, they would have to be VERY close to each other.
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Just went on a ride . Max-ed out both batteries. 56.7 km .Brantford to Burford and back ,Can’t wait for summer!
Second battery died with in sight of home . YA BA DA BA DO !!!
Two is the minimum.
Happy Days !
Scott
Hey Scott,
Be carefull about 2 batteries on one rack. I did that for a while then moved to the front rack as a second position. I bent the back rack on mine with two batteries and a 12 pack of 'pops' on top. You can see in the attached photo how the bottom part of the rails bent and the controller box is pushing down on the fender.
By the way I noticed a twelve pack of 'pops' in your picture, that is why I mention this ;)
Gary
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hey, I get 40km/h max on my Magic Pie on normal roads but want to go 45km/h just like the legal standard for scooters.
so they aren't faster then I and I won't sertainly be slower than them.
I hope my english grammer is right ;D
I am waiting for the Magic Pie II to come out so I can connect my 48v gm battery with a 24v gm battery to get 72 volts and I am going to build switches so I can switch between 24v 48v and 72v ;D wouldn't that be great?
You will get INCREDIBLE range, that way.... what are the AH's of the batteries, they would have to be VERY close to each other.
both batteries will be of the same W/h
i got a 48v 12ah gm lithium manganese and wanted a 24v 24ah battery to get more voltage and anable legal speeds when switched to 24v ;D
hope yao replies to me with some info also on my