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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Dave on September 06, 2007, 08:35:25 PM
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Update:
Patrick (aka: myelectricbike) and I have put down our verbal weapons and made a truce. While I can't delete this poll (I'd sure like to) I can at least modify it a bit so the tone isn't so nasty.
Sorry everybody.
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Ban him!
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Ban yourself.
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Granted, I just found this forum today, so what does my oppinion matter anyways... I was looking to convert a bike for a disabled friend to get around and found the information on the posts that he has posted quite informative. The arguments that he has had with a couple others of you actually brought out useful information in the course though he does seem to get his mind set in what he thinks and seems unwilling to consider the other side of the coin. I can recognise that trait in myself sometimes, especially when I am enthusiastic about a subject.
He should tone it down a bit though... We all have our own areas of expertise and our own point of view. I may have gone to college to get a degree in EE, but it doesn't make me an expert at everything electronic (especially since I moved into the computer world in the 20 years since), just more than the average bear.
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Dave, you build choppers to sell to the general public, therefore you are "professional" businessman and as such you have to show some professionalism. By having a arguement out in public, you tarnish your business reputation and drive away potential customers. Of course it is your business and you can do what you want, but if you persist, it might cost you sales and maybe your business. I am not taking sides, I am just observing a disturbing trend to win at any cost.
As I said in earlier posts, we all have a choice to participate or not to participate. I choose to participate but the name calling does nobody any good and makes this forum a mess. Patrick was here first and he is a fierce supporter of golden motor just like some people love their chevys over any other make no matter what!! He does not know everything nor does he claim to know everything. I can say if Pat has a fault, it is his loyalty to Golden Motor period. (personally I like Toyotas over any make, so I guess that makes me a terrible guy) Let cooler heads prevail and not take things so seriously. Thanks, mustangman :)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think were mixing up people again:
Friggerand was the chopper salesman. He has since moved on to Crystalyte motors.
Dave Del Russo was the florida e-bike rental guy. I don't think he ever announced his presence on the forum.
Dave G Thornton, aka "Dave" is currently just an average Joe buyer up in South Dakota. Granted, if Dave gets a kit up and running and likes it (which from his other post on his rear hub kit the prospects aren't good) he could work with the local bike shop guy he knows and set something up to test the waters. I'm not sure there's much of a market up there. We've got more people between Stockton and Fresno than there are in the entire state ;D
Regardless, I think there IS a valid place on the forums for value-added retailers. It would be easy to set up another area for them to state their buisiness and discuss "businessey" stuff. The users/lurkers/guests on this forum really are a very small market to try to sell to, especially since some may still prefer the direct-from-source do-it-yourself process that is the norm with these kits.
Patrick and Dave both need to tone down the rhetoric and lighten up.
Hey mustangman, how's that Prius battery pack rebuild going?
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What draws so many people to the area between Fresno and Stockton - more than LA and San Francisco and the rest of the entire State? ??? Proximity to Yosemite? There is no industry in that area, right? I thought that area of the State was used for little else than growing almonds or something and populated only by migrant workers.
Before this whole "military action" thing AKA Revenge of the Retard, people might have moved there for lower property costs and commuted to work.
Dan
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I was referring to the state of South Dakota for my population comparison. I'm pretty sure that the central valley outnumbers the residents of South Dakota by a small margin. I help cover 2 congressional districts with Academy recruiting in the area, and I'm pretty sure South Dakota has exactly 1 congressional district. Actually, the big cities (SF/Oakland/Bay Area and greater LA) are far and away more populous than the central valley. The primary industry of the central valley is agriculture. The commuter migration from the Bay Area almost penetrates into Stockton, although it is not as much as some may think.
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I was referring to the state of South Dakota for my population comparison. I'm pretty sure that the central valley outnumbers the residents of South Dakota by a small margin. I help cover 2 congressional districts with Academy recruiting in the area, and I'm pretty sure South Dakota has exactly 1 congressional district. Actually, the big cities (SF/Oakland/Bay Area and greater LA) are far and away more populous than the central valley. The primary industry of the central valley is agriculture. The commuter migration from the Bay Area almost penetrates into Stockton, although it is not as much as some may think.
I'd no idea...All I knew was there are a lot of ritzy jobs in NYC occupied buy SUV driving yuppies who commute an hour each way from here in CT. Was just a plausible explanation.
Dan
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I have neighbors where both parents do 2-hour commutes into the bay area. We never see them. Their daughter leaves her windows open / blinds closed all the time. My wife tells me she is a noisy little hussy when her boyfriend comes to visit.
Not much parental supervision in the home.
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Basically, they come here from the Bay area to buy a "Ranch" ette with an acre or 2 for the price of a very small townhome in the city and leave the city life behind only to commute those long hours back and forth to work. (Look at the towns of Los Banos and Tracy, CA) They say they do it for the kids, but in reality the kids actually suffer more because of the lack of supervision.
This area is flat and for the most part rural with small farming towns spotting the landscape, and because of this, it is ideal for ebikes for short trips to the store and possibly to a job.(alot of these towns are 5 to 10 miles apart) The area is also home to many community colleges, private univeristies, and California State University Campuses. With the price of auto insurance, an ebike looks like an attractive alternative transportation.
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I don't see commercial level electric powered human flight coming into play for a LONG time. The energy density just isn't there.
The residents of Tracy passed a slow-growth ballot measure to lock out any more bay area commuters. Lathrop has been welcoming them by the droves, although if you talk to city leaders they feel they have a "balanced" growth plan that includes bringing businesses to the city (I don't believe it for a second). A new town "Mountain House" was incorporated just west of the Tracy city limits to try to capture some of the migration. They are just on this side of the Altamont pass. They are all sucking wind now with the housing bust.
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I'm not saying it'll never happen, but the energy and power density have a long way to go before they become viable for flight. It's an exaggerated problem from what is keeping electric vehicles from dominating the freeways today.
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Humm... Re: Should I Stay Or Should I Go? ...Should I Stay Or Should I Go? ...Should I Stay Or Should I Go? ...I think I'm going to vote that I should go! ;D
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Why go? you were here first! Who makes the rules anyway. (Ahh, I got to go, My wife wants me to install a faucet) LOL ;D
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Um, now that I've gone and made a fool of myself -- sorry for that -- and have come to my senses, anybody know an easy (or hard) way to delete this thread? Or at least lock it so it eventually fades into obscurity?
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I would not worry about it, Dave. We are such crazy idiots ourselves that if a naked college grad and his girlfriend fell out of a tree on top of the casket in the middle of a funeral we would still probably laugh. Welcome to the club! Besides I, myself, am kind of interested in the results, especially if you can check the "can change vote" option. If not or otherwise, don't worry about it. Its just part of the fun we seem to be having of late around here! ;D
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Speaking of college grads falling out of trees, A local sheriff was called to investigate a suspicious vehicle parked on a golf course road. When the officer(s) approached thecar, no occupants were found except a trail of clothing articles leading on to the green. The officer(s) looked for the occupants of the vehicle and noticed giggling up a low tree where he found the two college kids in the buff. The officer(s) was so shocked, he told the two to gather their stuff and leave.(no charges filed, just a red face) ;D :) ;D
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Bit off topic but more along the lines of where did he go... What happened to Dray?
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I don't know. One day his name was black. I thought it was some kind of neat BBC code and was trying to figure it out when I noticed the last announcement he made to Philip was deleted.
I think all of Dray's other announcements are still on the board and you can probably still contact him through his web site.
Prior to his becoming a Golden distributor...
DONT BUY!
Are these kits any good?
Anyone actually riding the Golden motor electric kit???????
Is there a "real" us warehouse?
Anyone tried the 36V 15AH Lipo's
After his becoming a Golden distributor...
Goldenmotor kits available in Southern Ca
How about some pics of your Electric bikes? Post em!
myelectricbike, I don't have anything against you
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It appears Dray and Friggerand have both used the "Delete this account" option in their "Profile". Either that or someone is silently moderating the boards. Of course Dave and JFuller are still registered users after a prolonged disagreement with myelectricbike, so I don't think he kicked anyone. It is interesting that both users happen to be value-added retailers of bikes fitted with goldenmotor kits. I'm sure a good conspiracy theory can be built from that tidbit of information alone.
Friggerand made a formal announcement he was departing the board and moving to crystalite motors and controllers. Friggerand has set up a user account on Endless Sphere by the name of echoppershop and has advertised electric chopper bikes similar to his own on that forum. Unfortunately he got off on the wrong foot with a couple of the "senior" members of that website and it appears he has voluntarily stopped posting there. Friggerand's website is http://www.freewebs.com/echoppershop/
I missed any departure announcement from Dray. As has already been mentioned, he is doing business at http://www.ampedbikes.com.
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Nope. I requested administrative/moderator status but without response to either that request or to several others, so I can definitely reiterate that I'm just a Golden owner like everyone else except perhaps for being aware of the need for more input to build a comprehensive owner's manual than my own and the value such an owners forum might have to take a manual's place.
The interesting thing about this forum now is the direct opposition from those who would otherwise claim that a Golden motor is so efficient that it will give a 30 mile radius and 3,000 recharge cycles on a 12 volt, 12Ah SLA/AGM, just to sell a kit. I believe Philip to be an honest business man struggling against overwhelming odds from perhaps other owners and certain distributors, dealers and resellers who do not want the truth to be spoken and shared, and dealt with by owners so they can make false claims to sell lots of kits. I believe that Philip sees the value of this forum as much as we do for both long term sales and trust in his company it will bring rather than as the threat which dishonest and deceitful distributors, dealers and resellers see. Philip is up against the devil, which is what I see, and we are here to either help him succeed in his struggle or abandon him and let the devil win. Hopefully Philip will be able to return the favor to us someday in ways we have not thought of yet. So everyone hang in there, we are not done helping Philip and each other fight the devil, not quite yet.
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ditto for me too! ;D
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I hope everyone noticed I was being facetious when suggesting a conspiracy theory about kicking folks from the board. It's most likely both users left of their own volition and used the "Delete this account" option to do so.
-Mike
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I don't know. I suppose someone could register under a fabricated user name ??? and then call Philip names or use bad language, etc. to find out if there is a phantom moderator. I means I know its not me. I have to go somewhere else to use the mens room since there is no key on me. :(
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Yeah, I'll register as ImNotOneEyeDontKnowWhoHeIsEither and start lobbing insults :D
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As a research project I'd make a list according to severity of insult and then work my way gradually up the list so the trigger point could be recorded. First I'd start by insulting myelectricbike all the way to the top of the list and then I'd hit on mustangman. If that didn't get me into trouble then I'd go for OneEye and if that still didn't get me into trouble then I'd attack Philip as well (No offense Philip, just using your name as an example for OneEye to try in his research... ;D ). If by some remote chance I survived the fallout from all of that then I'd declare myself the winner and simply continue making rounds insulting everybody else. ;D
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Dray told me that he voluntarily quit the forum. No juicy conspiracies to investigate.(http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)
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But conspiracy theories are much more fun ;D
Hang on a sec, prove to me YOU aren't the one kicking folks off the forum...That's right, DaleCV, I'm pointing at you!
/me >laughs maniacally< :D
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Na, it can't be DaleCV. He live near Portland where all the have is a Miller trap door in case you've already done some time in Shanghai as a volunteer Merchant Marine.
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No, DaleCV isn't from Oregon, that's just a ploy. He is actually from the planet Skaro and is an agent of the Dalek Empire. It's obvious from his recumbent bicycle post. No human would ride such an unusual shaped device; it is clearly better suited for an octopoid life form.
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek
I'm disappointed though; the name similarity is too obvious. I would have expected such an advance cyborg species to be better able to disguise their identity on a forum such as this. Pure hubris if you ask me.
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I am with MEB but DaleCV true purpose is to gather all Portland's dregs and export them to Goldens new hub motor factory/barista bar in the neighboring state (seattle area) LOL!! . But back to reality, DaveCV I like your bike. period.(and you are an asset to this forum)
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I guess it is time to sneak out of the weirdo Portland shanghai underground conspiracy and migrate south to Eugenie land, where men are men and so are the women. (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Now, now there DaleCV, just because Eugenian women are taught from birth how to turn tree stumps into 15 foot wooden grizzlies, doesn't make them men. ;D
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I think it is a conspiracy because I don't know where they were born, but here in the San Fran antithesis the male bovine levees with flannel shirts, army boots, with Sundance Kid's side kick hair cut do like to move here. (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I'm not sure what they do with them thar stumps, (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Smileys/default/shocked.gif), if making grizzlies works for you I am willing to leave it at that, we want to keep it family like here. (http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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As previously discussed, many people are confused between the difference in attraction to the superficial manifestations of gender rather than to the real thing. Police records clearly indicate that persons who are attracted to the superficial manifestations of gender rather than to the real thing are the greatest threat to families and especially to the children that they have.