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Offline Snookoo

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 12:16:14 AM »
Hey everybody! Right now I'm wondering if the 1000W 48V 20Ah combination is maybe a little exaggerated.

See I just read about a guy who uses the 36v 500W version with a 36V 10Ah lifepo4. He's happy with that and with slight pedaling he gets around 50 miles! That is actually all I want.

So instead of going 1000w 48V 20Ah I might go 500W 48V 12Ah, wouldn't you agree? (consider the lighter weight of the battery ;) or maybe 1000W 48V 12Ah.  (I'm not sure)

PS: 1000W is more powerful than 500w of course. But will a 500W motor have a greater range than a 1000W motor using same battery??? I think so... plz correct me if I'm wrong...
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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 01:39:54 AM »
no such thing as 500W or 1000Wmotor, apparently they are the same (probably marked 500W to comply with local regulations). but the controllers are different.

I wouldn't recommend the huge 48V 20Ah batt that you were thinking of. to get an *idea* of the energy capacity multiply voltage times capacity; 48V * 20Ah = 960Wh, and that's is A LOT. for comparison, the most expensive battery that Segway offers is 400Wh.

I'd definitely recommend 48V over 36V, it'll make your rides much more fun. I'd consider 48V 8Ah enough for occasional use, but I'd go with 48V 10 or 12Ah. depending on cell type, a low Ah rating might mean a low power rating too (max amps, given a certain voltage). unless your 8Ah are very good cells, you could have cutoffs and reduced lifetimes due to excessive power demand. with 12Ah, things will go much more smooth with "low" quality cells.

now, regarding range and voltage:

36V * 10Ah = 360Wh
48V * 10Ah = 480Wh

at the same capacity the 48V batt has 33% more energy than the 36V batt. that said, it might be the case that the 48V batt will give you less range.

you see, the 48V will let you go faster; imagine it gets you 35% faster (yes, can be more or less than 33%), but using double the energy per mile that you'd use at 36V. so the 48V batt would take you 1.33 / 2 = 67% the distance that the 36V batt would; but only if you travel full speed. however if you go at comparable speeds, the 48V batt should give you 33% more range.

(controllers become more efficient when they run full throttle, so the last statement is not really exact, but it's close.)

so, with 48V 12Ah you'll have: good acceleration and top speed for fun; good range to travel (similar to a 36V 16Ah, provided that you go at 75% of max speed); reasonable cost and weight. (but if you want great range while going full speed, you might be disappointed.)

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 09:12:06 AM »
thanks for help, happy to hear this :) 48V 12Ah should be it then!

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 09:47:46 AM »
G'day Snookoo,

I remember reading somewhere that someone said that voltage is cheaper than ampage with batteries, so I did a quick search on ebay to test the theory and at least in once instance it was correct. I found a 36v 20ah lifepo4 for $655us and a 48v 15ah for $622us. Now working out the Wh, 36 * 20 = 720Wh and 48 * 15 = 720Wh also. This may be an over simplification and there are other factors that should probably be considered, but it does show that for the same Wh the higher voltage is cheaper. But as Lanchon pointed out you may compromise range for speed. I myself have a 400w hub (not GM) with a 36v 10ah GM battery, but if I was going to do it over again I would go the higher voltage for higher speed as I only do short commutes, about a 5k round trip a day, so range is not so much an issue for me at the moment.

Muzza.

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2008, 12:19:37 AM »
thanks for help, happy to hear this :) 48V 12Ah should be it then!


Just so it is not SLA batteries. A basic rule for them is that you will only get 1/2 of the rated amp hours in real use.

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2008, 12:50:05 PM »
they aren't, he posted this:

36V 15Ah  10lbs
36V 20Ah  16lbs
48V 12Ah  13lbs
48V 20Ah  22lbs

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Re: converting 26" MTB - what motor & battery would you choose?
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2008, 11:46:02 PM »
You are right.

The weights are what a Lipo4 battery would be. Def not a sla.