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HUB-gear
« on: June 18, 2010, 07:48:50 PM »
Thinking of converting my parents bicycles to MP. Suddenly I realised; they both have hub-gear. (Built in gear, and when they pedal backwords - breaks kick in. Is this possible to convert to a rearwheel MP? With gear? Nothing to change the gear with? Wasnt so interested with front wheel MP, but might be the simplest solution?   Please advise?

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 11:19:52 AM »
You could go a front hub. And maybe a smaller hub too.  As long as the parents don't like to go extreme down hill MTB they'll love it.

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 03:04:09 PM »
Good idea with the smaller hub, but since Ive got more than one battery, with different voltage, MP best since we could lend from each other. Different hub will give only one battery? And Im guessing its a alu-fork? Isnt that most usuall?
Will the breaking when pedaling backwords have any downsides?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2010, 03:05:42 PM by karen »

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Re: Minimotors compared to Magic Pies
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 08:03:58 PM »
Good idea with the smaller hub, but since Ive got more than one battery, with different voltage, MP best since we could lend from each other. Different hub will give only one battery? And Im guessing its a alu-fork? Isnt that most usuall?
Will the breaking when pedaling backwords have any downsides?

Before deciding on a minimotor, you must first decide if it will be the best choice for your particular requirements.
Here is some useful information which may help you to decide:

Similarities between the minimotors and the Magic Pies
  Both can be run on 24, 36 or 48 Volts etc.
  Both can be used with disc brakes. (New type minimotors only.)
  Both have the same 100mm width axle fitting.
  Both have cruise control.
  Both can use Pedelec


Advantages with the minimotors
  Minimotors have a freewheel unit inside which virtually eliminates the motor resistance when riding normally without motor assistance.
  The built in gearbox greatly increases the torque supplied by the motor.
  Minimotors are smaller, cheaper, lighter and much less obvious than the Magic Pies. (Good Stealth Factor.)

Disadvantages with the minimotors
  Regenerative braking won't work with the minihub because of the freewheel device.
  In the event of hall sensor failure, they cannot be used in sensorless mode.
  They require a separate external controller to be fitted.
  They are slower because of the built in gear reduction.
  They are more prone to damage from overheating when worked too hard.

Karen, you can use a magnet to check if the bikes have steel forks, if it sticks to the forks they should be OK to use with a front motor.

As far as the existing rear brake is concerned, the only drawback I can see is that it will not have a power breaking switch, because the rear brake lever provided with the kit cannot be used.  If your parents are used to mainly using the rear brake, it could cause a problem when using the cruise control, because when the rear brake is applied, it will not turn off the cruise control.  This would result in the motor being unnecessarily strained by working against the rear brake.

Alan
 
« Last Edit: June 19, 2010, 08:06:02 PM by Bikemad »

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 08:41:13 PM »
Thx, you guys!
I see the point of the minimotor, but ist so many(mostly) hills here, thinking minimotor will be fried fast. Thanks for the input tho. Wont really need the gears? But need to talk to them about breaking:d

Out looking for a magnet 8)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2010, 08:54:58 PM by karen »

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 07:14:41 AM »
If you choose a rear hub motor, how and what kind of gearwheel are you going to mount? The rear hubs are designed for 3-6 gear gearwheels, not a single one...  The bike frame might be prepared to mount a rim-brake...

If you choose a front hub motor and have alu-fork, a torque arm might save the day? ;)

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 10:41:16 AM »
Where do I get good torque-arms where I live? ::)

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Re: HUB-gear
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 12:32:44 AM »
I went to a machinist on the next block,
they cut me a pair of torque arms that were just perfect for my
bike for $20USD. ($10 each)

I may try again with a pair that bend around the fork to
lock once I get the design down.